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Re: Game 16 | MIN @ MEM 

Post#61 » by younggunsmn » Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:33 am

We really didn't play great, but it's a relief to get a win.
Conley and NAW played pretty well, and the bench was a little better tonight.

Our bigs got suckered into the overphysicality (which wasn't being called until suddenly it was) and picked up a bunch of dumb fouls.
Ant had a good box score, but they also baited him into taking a bunch of bad shots.
He moved the ball much better in the 2nd half.

Memphis just had no guardplay or shooting. NAW and Conley really got into Bane's space and effectively took him out of the game, but he wasn't making his open shots either. Aldama was the only other player who could make a bucket for them.
Gobert was having a pretty decent game until the last 2 minutes of the 1st half when he went on a fouling spree on rebounds and spent most of the rest of the game on the bench.

Memphis was 4/30 from 3 at one point (many wide open) before finishing 6/7.

This game shouldn't have ever been close.
We wouldn't have beaten a good team with this effort, but it's probably enough to beat any bottom 10 team.
Memphis's problems look a little deeper than just the Morant/Adams absences.
They might be 15 games under .500 by the time Ja gets back.
That's an awful deep hole to crawl out of in a loaded conference.
Will be nice if we can secure at minimum a top 40 pick next summer with the lesser of Mem/Was pick from the Russell trade.

Up to 8 games over .500, which is nice.
Next goal is to push that to the 14-20 games over it is going to take to secure a top 6 seed.
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Re: Game 16 | MIN @ MEM 

Post#62 » by andyhop » Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:37 am

Domejandro wrote:As terrible as the Memphis Grizzlies are because of their missing players, NBA teams getting blown out by more than twenty-ish really isn't something you can reasonably expect. This game was pretty much never in question from the very start.


To put this in perspective according to TeamRankings there have been 5 games since 2003 with a closing spread greater than 20 points.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/odds-history/results/
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Re: Game 16 | MIN @ MEM 

Post#63 » by younggunsmn » Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:37 am

Domejandro wrote:
_AIJ_ wrote:Man i love Michael Grady and Jime Pete! Were so lucky we have them as our announcers

I'll be honest, I'm pretty nervous about the potential replacement for Michael Grady, I think he is going to be picked up nationally.


I really enjoy him. He has a great blend of seriousness and humor, never gets too high or low with his calls, when a lot of announcers have a tendency to get overexcited. And a great voice for announcing.
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Re: Game 16 | MIN @ MEM 

Post#64 » by younggunsmn » Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:40 am

andyhop wrote:
Domejandro wrote:As terrible as the Memphis Grizzlies are because of their missing players, NBA teams getting blown out by more than twenty-ish really isn't something you can reasonably expect. This game was pretty much never in question from the very start.


To put this in perspective according to TeamRankings there have been 5 games since 2003 with a closing spread greater than 20 points.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/odds-history/results/


What was the spread when we lost to Portland late last year?
Wasn't that the biggest spread loss ever?
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Re: Game 16 | MIN @ MEM 

Post#65 » by andyhop » Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:52 am

younggunsmn wrote:
andyhop wrote:
Domejandro wrote:As terrible as the Memphis Grizzlies are because of their missing players, NBA teams getting blown out by more than twenty-ish really isn't something you can reasonably expect. This game was pretty much never in question from the very start.


To put this in perspective according to TeamRankings there have been 5 games since 2003 with a closing spread greater than 20 points.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/odds-history/results/


What was the spread when we lost to Portland late last year?
Wasn't that the biggest spread loss ever?


19.5

Joint second since at least the 90-91 season behind an Orlando win over the Bulls as a 21 point dog.
www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/36047896/blazers-beat-timberwolves-largest-nba-upset-30-years%3fplatform=amp
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Re: Game 16 | MIN @ MEM 

Post#66 » by Murphs56 » Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:53 am

Domejandro wrote:
_AIJ_ wrote:Man i love Michael Grady and Jime Pete! Were so lucky we have them as our announcers

I'll be honest, I'm pretty nervous about the potential replacement for Michael Grady, I think he is going to be picked up nationally.


It's crazy how concerned people were when he was brought in but he's been excellent. And I agree. He won't be in Minnesota for long. He was a hidden gem stuck on a stacked Nets broadcast team.
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Re: Game 16 | MIN @ MEM 

Post#67 » by shrink » Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:59 am

Murphs56 wrote:
Domejandro wrote:
_AIJ_ wrote:Man i love Michael Grady and Jime Pete! Were so lucky we have them as our announcers

I'll be honest, I'm pretty nervous about the potential replacement for Michael Grady, I think he is going to be picked up nationally.

It's crazy how concerned people were when he was brought in but he's been excellent. And I agree. He won't be in Minnesota for long. He was a hidden gem stuck on a stacked Nets broadcast team.

I like how he’s developing chemistry with JimPete.

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Re: Game 16 | MIN @ MEM 

Post#68 » by Domejandro » Mon Nov 27, 2023 7:03 am

Not sure what thread to put this curmudgeonly comment into, but I think the novelty of the Bite Bite thing has worn off.

Gives off the same vibes to me as Dave Benz's insufferable "Ant Facts".
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Re: Game 16 | MIN @ MEM 

Post#69 » by shrink » Mon Nov 27, 2023 11:57 am

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2335570

Draymond with an early lead in the “Most Hated” poll on the General Board.

I posted here because I don’t want to give him more than temporary consideration, but thought the poll might amuse a few of us.
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Re: Game 16 | MIN @ MEM 

Post#70 » by Guest84 » Mon Nov 27, 2023 5:16 pm

younggunsmn wrote:
Domejandro wrote:
_AIJ_ wrote:Man i love Michael Grady and Jime Pete! Were so lucky we have them as our announcers

I'll be honest, I'm pretty nervous about the potential replacement for Michael Grady, I think he is going to be picked up nationally.


I really enjoy him. He has a great blend of seriousness and humor, never gets too high or low with his calls, when a lot of announcers have a tendency to get overexcited. And a great voice for announcing.


I don’t remember what it was but I recall seeing him broadcast for an NBA TV game over the past 2 weeks. I think it was a tournament game.
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Re: Game 16 | MIN @ MEM 

Post#71 » by Guest84 » Mon Nov 27, 2023 5:19 pm

shrink wrote:https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2335570

Draymond with an early lead in the “Most Hated” poll on the General Board.

I posted here because I don’t want to give him more than temporary consideration, but thought the poll might amuse a few of us.


Have you read the article recently posted on here about Green? No regrets about the choke and he’s going to continue being him. Which means the nonsense and Green apologetics will continue.
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Re: Game 16 | MIN @ MEM 

Post#72 » by TwolvesFanRome » Mon Nov 27, 2023 6:12 pm

It's always nice and satisfying to beat MEM!

AAAARRROOOOOOO!!!
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Re: Game 16 | MIN @ MEM 

Post#73 » by shrink » Mon Nov 27, 2023 6:51 pm

Guest84 wrote:
shrink wrote:https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2335570

Draymond with an early lead in the “Most Hated” poll on the General Board.

I posted here because I don’t want to give him more than temporary consideration, but thought the poll might amuse a few of us.


Have you read the article recently posted on here about Green? No regrets about the choke and he’s going to continue being him. Which means the nonsense and Green apologetics will continue.

I read that, and I’ll say I’m not surprised.

Punishment, wherever it’s used, is to enact behavior change. I had an experience where my four year old was mad at her little sister, and really wanted to push her. I said, “if you push her, you’re getting a 15 minute time out in your room!” I watched her think it over for five seconds, push her, then walk up to her room and close the door.

Funny story, but the point is that she made an economic decision. The punishment I presented wasn’t severe enough to keep her from doing what she felt like doing. This is the case with (childish) Draymond. I feel this was premeditated, but even if it wasn’t, in the time he spent holding Gobert in a choke hold, he knew he was going to get punished. But like my daughter, the selfish desire to lash out was the economic choice he made, despite knowing he’d get punished.

His recent quotes afterward aren’t surprising, but they are frustrating. He has no regret for his actions, and he has literally said he will do this again. This shows that NBA punishment was not severe enough to create behavior change. I wonder at this point whether any punishment would get him to stop, or whether we are going to have to see him put a career-ending injury on a player before he is simply banned from the league?
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Re: Game 16 | MIN @ MEM 

Post#74 » by Guest84 » Mon Nov 27, 2023 6:56 pm

shrink wrote:
Guest84 wrote:
shrink wrote:https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2335570

Draymond with an early lead in the “Most Hated” poll on the General Board.

I posted here because I don’t want to give him more than temporary consideration, but thought the poll might amuse a few of us.


Have you read the article recently posted on here about Green? No regrets about the choke and he’s going to continue being him. Which means the nonsense and Green apologetics will continue.

I read that, and I’ll say I’m not surprised.

Punishment, wherever it’s used, is to enact behavior change. I had an experience where my four year old was mad at her little sister, and really wanted to push her. I said, “if you push her, you’re getting a 15 minute time out in your room!” I watched her think it over for five seconds, push her, then walk up to her room and close the door.

Funny story, but the point is that she made an economic decision. The punishment I presented wasn’t severe enough to keep her from doing what she felt like doing. This is the case with (childish) Draymond. I feel this was premeditated, but even if it wasn’t, in the time he spent holding Gobert in a choke hold, he knew he was going to get punished. But like my daughter, the selfish desire to lash out was the economic choice he made, despite knowing he’d get punished.

His recent quotes afterward aren’t surprising, but they are frustrating. He has no regret for his actions, and he has literally said he will do this again. This shows that NBA punishment was not severe enough to create behavior change. I wonder at this point whether any punishment would get him to stop, or whether we are going to have to see him put a career-ending injury on a player before he is simply banned from the league?


Agreed. Since I know this isn't the thread for it, this will be my last response about it here. It's also frustrating how the national media is now pushing the narrative of "If I'm Rudy, I'm fighting Kat and Ant in the locker room because they did absolutely nothing to stop Green".

Instead of focusing on the Wolves overcoming the issue and continuing to win, they'd rather try to cause dissension among the team. Can the wolves get ANY props for playing well so far?? Prob better to stay under the radar but to disrespect a team in 1st place currently is ridiculous.
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Post#75 » by Baseline81 » Mon Nov 27, 2023 6:58 pm

shrink wrote:I read that, and I’ll say I’m not surprised.

Punishment, wherever it’s used, is to enact behavior change. I had an experience where my four year old was mad at her little sister, and really wanted to push her. I said, “if you push her, you’re getting a 15 minute time out in your room!” I watched her think it over for five seconds, push her, then walk up to her room and close the door.

Funny story, but the point is that she made an economic decision. The punishment I presented wasn’t severe enough to keep her from doing what she felt like doing. This is the case with (childish) Draymond. I feel this was premeditated, but even if it wasn’t, in the time he spent holding Gobert in a choke hold, he knew he was going to get punished. But like my daughter, the selfish desire to lash out was the economic choice he made, despite knowing he’d get punished.

His recent quotes afterward aren’t surprising, but they are frustrating. He has no regret for his actions, and he has literally said he will do this again. This shows that NBA punishment was not severe enough to create behavior change. I wonder at this point whether any punishment would get him to stop, or whether we are going to have to see him put a career-ending injury on a player before he is simply banned from the league?

And there's the problem.

But I do agree with your overall post. It's clear from Green's perspective, he doesn't feel his past actions should factor in future punishment, which it did in this case.

If the suspension was 10 games, there would have been a change IMO, though not necessarily from Green but rather Golden State. Losing a player, especially one as integral as him, would have caused Kerr and the front office to hold a meeting.
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Re: Game 16 | MIN @ MEM 

Post#76 » by TimberKat » Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:13 am

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Calinks wrote:Man, big fail if we dont hold these guys to under 100

At this point, I am more worried about winning the game first. We are losing steam quickly. Need another run to close it out.

We are so scarred as a fan base!

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