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Re: Troy Brown Jr 

Post#61 » by frankenwolf » Wed Sep 6, 2023 7:28 pm

Klomp wrote:According to the BBall-Index, Brown currently ranks in the 82nd percentile in their site’s “on-ball” defensive metric and in the 84th percentile when it comes to “off-ball chasing.” Two critical elements of any worthwhile defense that Brown has shown to be more than serviceable in both.



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Re: Troy Brown Jr 

Post#62 » by minimus » Mon Oct 2, 2023 9:58 am

Klomp wrote:One of my favorite things about his game (and Milton too) is his quick decision-making. Some of these plays are almost SloMo-like.






I wonder if our bench unit is more suited for Finch read-and-react game with:

1) five guys who can pass the ball. Even though Reid is not a flashy passer he moves the ball quickly and plays off the catch which helps ball movement. Anderson, Milton, NAW and Brown are all good passers for position. Also Milton is 27yo who has experience which should help him

2) five guys can shoot. Reid is a good three point shooter for big man standards. Anderson can hit open three (41% in regular season), Brown and Milton are 38% shooters, NAW shot 40% in playoffs against DEN.

3) four guys who can defend and have size. Fifth is Reid who is a bad defender mainly because he fouls too much and doesn't rebound well. I hope he improves in these areas. But none of these five guys won't be able to stay on the floor because they are bad defenders like Nowell and Forbes, or lack size like Rivers and McLaughlin

Reid-Anderson-Brown-NAW-Milton is a prototypical fiveout formation where the role of traditional PG shared between multiple positions, and many actions starts with pass to a big, following with DHOs, cuts and off ball screens. What makes this unit really special is that you can put Towns instead of Reid and play same style, you want put Edwards instead of NAW or Milton and it will be a dangerous fiveout smallball unit, you put MCD instead of Anderson or Brown and MCD and NAW can lock perimeter while still playing fiveout offense.
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Re: Troy Brown Jr 

Post#63 » by NebWolvesFan » Mon Oct 2, 2023 1:41 pm

One prediction I have for this season is that TBJ will play more minutes than NAW. I like NAW and I would love it if Wolves could counter Jazz fans who keep bringing up Walker with "Yeah, well we stole NAW from you," but I worry about NAW's shot and I think TBJ will be more consistent and Finch will eventually play TBJ more.
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Re: Troy Brown Jr 

Post#64 » by KGdaBom » Mon Oct 2, 2023 2:17 pm

NebWolvesFan wrote:One prediction I have for this season is that TBJ will play more minutes than NAW. I like NAW and I would love it if Wolves could counter Jazz fans who keep bringing up Walker with "Yeah, well we stole NAW from you," but I worry about NAW's shot and I think TBJ will be more consistent and Finch will eventually play TBJ more.

I think TBJ will be the odd man out for Rotation minutes.
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Re: Troy Brown Jr 

Post#65 » by Mamba4Goat » Mon Oct 2, 2023 4:19 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
NebWolvesFan wrote:One prediction I have for this season is that TBJ will play more minutes than NAW. I like NAW and I would love it if Wolves could counter Jazz fans who keep bringing up Walker with "Yeah, well we stole NAW from you," but I worry about NAW's shot and I think TBJ will be more consistent and Finch will eventually play TBJ more.

I think TBJ will be the odd man out for Rotation minutes.

I’ll take it a step further and say that TBJ will start out of the rotation but earn a role at the expense of one of SloMo or Naz and end the season with more minutes played than whichever one. Those two are guys I’m worried about in terms of shooting and if they can’t hit 3’s their fit gets a bit tougher since they’ll both likely be playing out of position (SF for Kyle and PF for Naz).
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Re: Troy Brown Jr 

Post#66 » by Klomp » Mon Oct 2, 2023 6:23 pm

Troy is the perfect 10th man for a 9-man rotation because he can slide into so many roles, which allows the rotation to not skip a beat.
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Re: Troy Brown Jr 

Post#67 » by thinktank » Mon Oct 2, 2023 7:55 pm

He’ll be in the rotation.

He’s Prince’s replacement.
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Re: Troy Brown Jr 

Post#68 » by BlacJacMac » Mon Oct 2, 2023 8:00 pm

thinktank wrote:He’ll be in the rotation.

He’s Prince’s replacement.


I think SloMo is going to be Prince's primary replacement.

With Naz being SloMo's "replacement".
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Re: Troy Brown Jr 

Post#69 » by KGdaBom » Mon Oct 2, 2023 8:04 pm

Klomp wrote:Troy is the perfect 10th man for a 9-man rotation because he can slide into so many roles, which allows the rotation to not skip a beat.

Good point. As much as I hate to say it there will probably always be somebody in the top 9 injured affording minutes to TBJ. What about Miller. Is he ever going to see the light of day?
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Re: Troy Brown Jr 

Post#70 » by BlacJacMac » Mon Oct 2, 2023 8:32 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
Klomp wrote:Troy is the perfect 10th man for a 9-man rotation because he can slide into so many roles, which allows the rotation to not skip a beat.

Good point. As much as I hate to say it there will probably always be somebody in the top 9 injured affording minutes to TBJ. What about Miller. Is he ever going to see the light of day?


Probably not this year unless things unravel horribly.

My guess is he'll spend most of the year in Iowa working specifically on the things that Finch wants him to get better at to fit a future role.
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Re: Troy Brown Jr 

Post#71 » by thinktank » Mon Oct 2, 2023 9:33 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:
thinktank wrote:He’ll be in the rotation.

He’s Prince’s replacement.


I think SloMo is going to be Prince's primary replacement.

With Naz being SloMo's "replacement".


Prince and SloMo aren’t very similar. We’re going to need Brown Jr’s shooting. That’s why he’s more analogous to Prince.
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Re: Troy Brown Jr 

Post#72 » by BlacJacMac » Mon Oct 2, 2023 10:46 pm

thinktank wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
thinktank wrote:He’ll be in the rotation.

He’s Prince’s replacement.


I think SloMo is going to be Prince's primary replacement.

With Naz being SloMo's "replacement".


Prince and SloMo aren’t very similar. We’re going to need Brown Jr’s shooting. That’s why he’s more analogous to Prince.


My point is that SloMo is going to be playing a lot more SF this year. There are only so many minutes.
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Re: Troy Brown Jr 

Post#73 » by Nick K » Mon Oct 2, 2023 11:03 pm

minimus wrote:
Klomp wrote:One of my favorite things about his game (and Milton too) is his quick decision-making. Some of these plays are almost SloMo-like.






I wonder if our bench unit is more suited for Finch read-and-react game with:

1) five guys who can pass the ball. Even though Reid is not a flashy passer he moves the ball quickly and plays off the catch which helps ball movement. Anderson, Milton, NAW and Brown are all good passers for position. Also Milton is 27yo who has experience which should help him

2) five guys can shoot. Reid is a good three point shooter for big man standards. Anderson can hit open three (41% in regular season), Brown and Milton are 38% shooters, NAW shot 40% in playoffs against DEN.

3) four guys who can defend and have size. Fifth is Reid who is a bad defender mainly because he fouls too much and doesn't rebound well. I hope he improves in these areas. But none of these five guys won't be able to stay on the floor because they are bad defenders like Nowell and Forbes, or lack size like Rivers and McLaughlin

Reid-Anderson-Brown-NAW-Milton is a prototypical fiveout formation where the role of traditional PG shared between multiple positions, and many actions starts with pass to a big, following with DHOs, cuts and off ball screens. What makes this unit really special is that you can put Towns instead of Reid and play same style, you want put Edwards instead of NAW or Milton and it will be a dangerous fiveout smallball unit, you put MCD instead of Anderson or Brown and MCD and NAW can lock perimeter while still playing fiveout offense.


Good stuff. Right on.

I am super stoked about our bench this year. A good bench can be a big difference maker.
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Re: Troy Brown Jr 

Post#74 » by thinktank » Tue Oct 3, 2023 1:14 am

BlacJacMac wrote:
thinktank wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
I think SloMo is going to be Prince's primary replacement.

With Naz being SloMo's "replacement".


Prince and SloMo aren’t very similar. We’re going to need Brown Jr’s shooting. That’s why he’s more analogous to Prince.


My point is that SloMo is going to be playing a lot more SF this year. There are only so many minutes.


I don’t think SloMo is going to be asked to do as much this year. Call me crazy. KAT missing 50 games pressed him into his role last year. At the press conference SloMo said his position doesn’t matter.

To reiterate, I fully expect Brown Jr to have a bench role. He may play alongside SloMo at backup SG, with Milton at backup PG.

Starters:

Conley
Ant
McDaniels
KAT
Gobert

Bench:

Milton / NAW (I think it will be tough to play them simultaneously)
Brown Jr
SloMo
Reid

That’s the consistent 9-man rotation I see.

The odd men out are:
Garza
Minott
Miller
Ryan
Moore Jr

That’s 15.

I guess I’m in the minority thinking Brown Jr will be in the rotation. All good, considering the sources. ;)
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Re: Troy Brown Jr 

Post#75 » by Note30 » Tue Oct 3, 2023 1:28 am

thinktank wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:
thinktank wrote:
Prince and SloMo aren’t very similar. We’re going to need Brown Jr’s shooting. That’s why he’s more analogous to Prince.


My point is that SloMo is going to be playing a lot more SF this year. There are only so many minutes.


I don’t think SloMo is going to be asked to do as much this year. Call me crazy. KAT missing 50 games pressed him into his role last year. At the press conference SloMo said his position doesn’t matter.

To reiterate, I fully expect Brown Jr to have a bench role. He may play alongside SloMo at backup SG, with Milton at backup PG.

Starters:

Conley
Ant
McDaniels
KAT
Gobert

Bench:

Milton / NAW (I think it will be tough to play them simultaneously)
Brown Jr
SloMo
Reid

That’s the consistent 9-man rotation I see.

The odd men out are:
Garza
Minott
Miller
Ryan
Moore Jr

That’s 15.

I guess I’m in the minority thinking Brown Jr will be in the rotation. All good, considering the sources. ;)


And McL is potentially out.
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Re: Troy Brown Jr 

Post#76 » by thinktank » Tue Oct 3, 2023 2:12 am

Yes. Good catch. He’s a slightly above average 3rd string PG.
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Re: Troy Brown Jr 

Post#77 » by Klomp » Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:26 pm

So we've seen Brown play "up" at SG more than he's played "down" at PF. A little surprising maybe, but probably shouldn't be considering the depth at PF (Towns, Reid, Anderson for starters). I think he's really going to be a fun player and more productive than a lot of fans realize going in. I think his versatility is going to be something that's really valued by Finch in the doldrums of the regular season. Versatile weapons like Brown, Milton, Alexander-Walker, Anderson, etc., will lessen the necessity to depend on guys like McLaughlin, Minott, Ryan, etc.
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Re: Troy Brown Jr 

Post#78 » by Klomp » Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:00 am

Finch was most pleased with Gobert’s impact on defense and Brown’s professionalism. He told a story about approaching Brown recently and asking him to “bear with us” as they tried to find him some consistent minutes.

“I’m cool, coach,” Brown told Finch. “I’m ready. I’ll be ready.”

The time came on Tuesday night, and all Brown did was help deliver perhaps the Wolves’ best win of the season. With timely performances like that, there will be plenty more victories where that came from.

“The more guys you have like that on your team, obviously the more it helps your maturity and that’s been a big goal for us,” Finch said. “So we had to get more guys who are willing to accept those kind of inconsistent roles.”


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Re: Troy Brown Jr 

Post#79 » by wolves_89 » Thu Nov 30, 2023 1:59 pm

It seems fairly obvious at this point that Brown should be moved up the rotation hiearchy with Milton getting bumped down. I wonder how long it will be before Finch makes the adjustment.

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