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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#41 » by frankenwolf » Wed Jun 19, 2024 8:04 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:
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BlacJacMac wrote:We can essentially trade it on draft day.

Correct, and I think you both understand this, but most don’t, so let me explain.

The Stepian Rule prohibits making any trade that would leave a team (and fanbase!) without a first round pick in the next two drafts. It’s the “next two drafts” thing that I think many find confusing, because once the draft begins, the next two drafts become 2025 and 2026. Since we own a pick in 2026 (maybe ours, maybe we have to swap), we can trade the 2024 pick (technically, the rights to the player picked) as soon as the draft starts.


I think its even simpler than that.

The Stepien Rule states you can't trade away future first round draft picks in consecutive years. Once we draft a player in 2024, its now considered a "past" pick and is immediately available for trade. And there is nothing to stop us from working out a deal with another team ahead of our pick to trade said player.


Yeah, you both have it correct. :)
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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#42 » by Klomp » Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:55 pm

Also, we could send 27 out in a trade today if it gave us a different first round pick in this year's draft or a 2025 unprotected 1st.
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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#43 » by BlacJacMac » Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:58 pm

Klomp wrote:Also, we could send 27 out in a trade today if it gave us a different first round pick in this year's draft or a 2025 unprotected 1st.


Correct. The Stepien Rule only requires that you have a 1st. It doesn't care whose first it is.
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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#44 » by minimus » Fri Jul 5, 2024 10:45 am

I will list our young players, their age and possible improvements areas and player who can be used as example:

NAW, 26yo: offensive diversity. See Bruce Brown development path.
Reid, 25yo: positional defense. See Paul Millsap path
Edwards, 24yo: decision making. See KD development as passer
McDaniels, 24yo: mid range game. I believe that Jaden has enough skills to get in mid-range against any opponent: Jaden is either too big for guards or too quick for bigs. He has soft touch, high release and can shoot over defender. See Kawhi mid range game.
TSJ, 24yo: I would say the most obvious issues are ball handling, passing and finishing with weak hand. See Jaylen Brown development way.
Clark, 23yo: 3pt shot. Clark with 3pt shot is NBA rotation player. Low key Jimmy Butler will spin moves and impressive quickness.
Josh Minott, 22yo: improve his positional defense and 3pt shot. Josh has all tools to be a good weakside defender he can be useful in Peyton Watson role.
Miller, 21yo: everything, but first get stronger, refine shooting mechanic and footwork. If Miller can hit open threes and rebound he will get minutes. I cant find right comparison for him... But I hope he can be developed into less talented, fluid version of Lamar Odom.
Dillingham, 19yo: get stronger that will allow him to avoid injuries, defend better and attack through contact. If Rob can develop into al least Garland level of player it will hugely improve MIN chances to success.
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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#45 » by Guest84 » Fri Jul 5, 2024 4:30 pm

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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#46 » by minimus » Sat Aug 31, 2024 9:15 pm

I have been rewatching series against DAL and I have couple of notes and question. I was kind of too disappointed after Game 5, and could not or better say did not want to rewatch those games because I was hurt and upset. But I had couple of easy "days" this week, so I have finally rewatched them.

1) Conley in defense was actively hunted by DAL players, because they wanted favourable matchup against him. Hardy in ISO, Kyrie shot over him, some DAL plays were designated to involve Conley in defense against Luka, like here Exam plays DHO with Doncic making Conley guard Gafford by tagging DAL bigman, or leave Exam completely wide open. It was lose-lose situation for MIN

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Or here, Conley was guarding "least dangerous DAL offensive player" which is Jones, but DAL recognise it and instantly plays double drag screen, involving Conley who tried to hedge and recover, but McDaniels and Gobert miscommunication led to another open dunk
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2) overall after re-watching this series I was surprised how close MIN were to win this series (which still frustrates me). I mean our defense was NOT working like in series against PHO and DEN, and MIN is not an offensive minded team, but still MIN were close in Game 1, 2 and 3 to win. So it is still a mystery to me why neither McDaniels nor Edwards were not able to stop one of Doncic or Irving. I can remember ONE impressive defensive sequence where MIN got two stops in row. I can only guess that Edwards and NAW were both injured against DEN (remember when Edwards landed hard on his back after Jokic foul and Nickeil injured his shoulder after Jokic screen), and finally Towns knee was hurting him as he said recently in PG13 podcast. But overall our defense was passive, one step slower than DAL offense. Sometimes I had feeling that only Anderson was fully locked in both in defense and offense, despite being least talented player on the floor. So my question here stands: why our defense feel apart in that series? Was it physical conditioning? Injuries? Team strategy?

3) I mentioned that DAL did great job of hunting Conley, however MIN players were not so decisive in mismatch hunting. Luka was injured, Kyrie is not a great defender. But no player in MIN had mentality to attack them, it was something that BOS were able to explore in Finals. While Edwards had great improvement in terms of passing the ball, however he made some very dumb TOs in clutch that costed us games

4) both McDaniels and Reid had great series against DAL. In Game 3 it was evident that coaching staff tried to run more plays to create for Reid opportunities to attack from the catch when he got the ball on the move and immediately attack the rim

After rewatching this series my reasons for optimism are following:

1) I remember that a year DEN players said that they knew all MIN plays, but this year in playoff MIN were better prepared for matchup against DEN and won that series. I expect same happen this offseason: both coaching staff and players should study these games and improve

2) I find VERY encouraging that both McDaniels and Reid who missed playoffs a year ago played very well in playoffs this year. They both made winning plays and should only improve

3) I think that this group has enough talent and experience to compete, and real X-factor is chemistry, preparation process and conditioning. In DAL series it was evident, when they missed defensive rotations, or lost concentration at the end of the quarter, or miscommunicated, or did not boxout. Those little things that can not be skipped.

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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#47 » by FrenchMinnyFan » Sun Sep 1, 2024 12:19 am

minimus wrote:I have been rewatching series against DAL and I have couple of notes and question. I was kind of too disappointed after Game 5, and could not or better say did not want to rewatch those games because I was hurt and upset. But I had couple of easy "days" this week, so I have finally rewatched them.

1) Conley in defense was actively hunted by DAL players, because they wanted favourable matchup against him. Hardy in ISO, Kyrie shot over him, some DAL plays were designated to involve Conley in defense against Luka, like here Exam plays DHO with Doncic making Conley guard Gafford by tagging DAL bigman, or leave Exam completely wide open. It was lose-lose situation for MIN

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Or here, Conley was guarding "least dangerous DAL offensive player" which is Jones, but DAL recognise it and instantly plays double drag screen, involving Conley who tried to hedge and recover, but McDaniels and Gobert miscommunication led to another open dunk
Image

2) overall after re-watching this series I was surprised how close MIN were to win this series (which still frustrates me). I mean our defense was NOT working like in series against PHO and DEN, and MIN is not an offensive minded team, but still MIN were close in Game 1, 2 and 3 to win. So it is still a mystery to me why neither McDaniels nor Edwards were not able to stop one of Doncic or Irving. I can remember ONE impressive defensive sequence where MIN got two stops in row. I can only guess that Edwards and NAW were both injured against DEN (remember when Edwards landed hard on his back after Jokic foul and Nickeil injured his shoulder after Jokic screen), and finally Towns knee was hurting him as he said recently in PG13 podcast. But overall our defense was passive, one step slower than DAL offense. Sometimes I had feeling that only Anderson was fully locked in both in defense and offense, despite being least talented player on the floor. So my question here stands: why our defense feel apart in that series? Was it physical conditioning? Injuries? Team strategy?

3) I mentioned that DAL did great job of hunting Conley, however MIN players were not so decisive in mismatch hunting. Luka was injured, Kyrie is not a great defender. But no player in MIN had mentality to attack them, it was something that BOS were able to explore in Finals. While Edwards had great improvement in terms of passing the ball, however he made some very dumb TOs in clutch that costed us games

4) both McDaniels and Reid had great series against DAL. In Game 3 it was evident that coaching staff tried to run more plays to create for Reid opportunities to attack from the catch when he got the ball on the move and immediately attack the rim

After rewatching this series my reasons for optimism are following:

1) I remember that a year DEN players said that they knew all MIN plays, but this year in playoff MIN were better prepared for matchup against DEN and won that series. I expect same happen this offseason: both coaching staff and players should study these games and improve

2) I find VERY encouraging that both McDaniels and Reid who missed playoffs a year ago played very well in playoffs this year. They both made winning plays and should only improve

3) I think that this group has enough talent and experience to compete, and real X-factor is chemistry, preparation process and conditioning. In DAL series it was evident, when they missed defensive rotations, or lost concentration at the end of the quarter, or miscommunicated, or did not boxout. Those little things that can not be skipped.

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Totally agree with you. Our defense slow down against Dallas. Mike, ANT were not 100%, Rudy slow down..... tiredness finally came after a long season. And we were not that far in many games. Can't wait season start. Go Wolves!
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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#48 » by thinktank » Sun Sep 1, 2024 1:35 am

We’re adding a top 10-ish draft pick in Dilly (and ready now-ish two-way wing in TSJ) to a top four team with a winning culture.
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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#49 » by minimus » Sun Sep 1, 2024 8:09 am

thinktank wrote:We’re adding a top 10-ish draft pick in Dilly (and ready now-ish two-way wing in TSJ) to a top four team with a winning culture.


Yeah, when I was rewatching playoffs, I was trying to imagine how our rookies can impact. I mentioned Reid and McDaniels because they both raised their game and it is kind of realistic to see that with more chemistry, experience and repetition both gets better, or expand their game (for instance I am very high on both to get better at facilitating).

Now back to rookies. My first thought was that our transition game might improve immensely with TSJ and Dilly, because every time MIN were able to gain a little advantage by running hard, they looked absolutely incredible: Edwards, Reid and McDaniels had all sorts of breakaway dunks and layups. If TSJ can break, first or second line of transition defense it will open up so much things:

- Towns pull up threes as trailer
- Gobert rim running
- corner threes

Second thing is very obvious that we kind of lacked one more solid perimeter defender against DAL. NAW, McDaniels and Edwards could not catch a break defending Kyrie and Luke. I have high hopes on TSJ becoming at least serviceable perimeter defender: physical, active. But my true dark horse is Jaylen Clark (and at some degree Nix and PJ Dozier). I could not stop thinking what Clark (with at least average three point shot) could do against DAL. Edwards was not 100% physically, looked tired, gambled. McDaniels lacks 30-40lbs to battle against Luka, and Kyrie is too quick and shifty. Enter four big and strong perimeter defenders TSJ, Clark and Nix/Dozier. I think Finch has enough weapons to play high level, high intensity defense all season long. And I am kind of optimistic that team development process and trajectory will give MIN by the end of the year at least one more great defender in rotation. So at the beginning of the season our defensive core will be Gobert-McDaniels-NAW and Edwards. By the end of regular season, after 80+ games Finch will know who else can be trusted in defense.

Finally, getting TSJ, Dilly and Ingles means hopefully less minutes, less load on Conley during regular season. We need him in playoffs.
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Re: Reasons for wolves optimism 

Post#50 » by minimus » Wed Sep 11, 2024 10:39 am



Although MIN lost series against DAL in a very disappointing way I'd that this team improved a lot last season when it comes to clutch games.

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