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I often read that Ingles is washed. Well, this is partially true, because Ingles in his prime was a pretty good player. However, here is an example why I think that even washed Ingles might be a very impactful player. It is called "Mismatch DHO" and consists of simple steps
- initial screen and switch that creates mismatch
- mismatch DHO
- attack weakest link in opponent defense
It does NOT require athleticism in first and second step, but it DOES require basketball IQ and overall awareness to recognise mismatch
P.S. Here is another example with Conely using same concepts, but without DHO, running pick-n-roll instead: get mismatch, then run pick-n-roll against bad perimeter defender MPJ.
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Despite the deceptive appearance of the average 40-year-old laborer, can you say that Joe Ingles still has SWAG?
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Ingles looks for an opponent to trash talk after most every play. 
Is that swag?

Is that swag?
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shrink wrote:Ingles looks for an opponent to trash talk after most every play.
Is that swag?
Nah, just Australian

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I think an ordinary Joe Ingles will look like this: hit open 3, hit Gobert with accurate alleyoop pass, deliver hard foul and a lot of trash talk
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minimus wrote:https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OlRy147Oq34
Imagine Ingles trash talking Westbrook in MIN-DEN rivalry
Westbrook joining Denver absolutely added a new edge to this rivalry. The Ingles factor is one, but also the stuff with him taunting Gobert at the free throw line AND the dust up with Westbrook and McDaniels two preseasons ago.
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tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
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In Ingles' minutes on the floor last year, the Magic had a negative +/- in only 23 games, and Orlando was 8-15 in those games. In the 45 games that the Magic were positive or neutral in his minutes, the team had a 34-11 record.
His sweet spot seemed to be between 13-17 minutes played.
Over 17 minutes played, the team was 19-15
Between 13-17 minutes, the team was 21-6
Under 13 minutes played, the team was 2-5
His sweet spot seemed to be between 13-17 minutes played.
Over 17 minutes played, the team was 19-15
Between 13-17 minutes, the team was 21-6
Under 13 minutes played, the team was 2-5
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One more note about Ingles, I think it's important to remind people that he was a target for Minnesota last offseason. He would've been here had Orlando not offered him $22 million. I think he will be a big factor for this team, as long as he is healthy.
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OK I lied, one more note I just thought about.... 
He is likely going to help improve our 3-point volume. Even though last year was one of Joe's career-lows in his 3s per minute volume, he is still going to be an improvemet over the guys he would be replacing in that last spot in the rotation. Especially since it seems like Towns won't push his up, the improvement needs to come from somewhere.

He is likely going to help improve our 3-point volume. Even though last year was one of Joe's career-lows in his 3s per minute volume, he is still going to be an improvemet over the guys he would be replacing in that last spot in the rotation. Especially since it seems like Towns won't push his up, the improvement needs to come from somewhere.
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tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
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Why in the world would you bring this back up after your last 4 posts here? lol
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Folklore wrote:Why in the world would you bring this back up after your last 4 posts here? lol
Things change. Those posts were essentially a whole team ago, before a trade brought in an extra 30-minute player. I didn't even really look at those posts, other that to laugh at how quickly things can change.
But, at the same time, I'm not some bitter curmudgeon who thinks he is always right or always has to be right. I've been here almost 20 years, I've had plenty of posts that look foolish in hindsight. I don't let those affect how I think of myself as a person or as a RealGM poster.
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Klomp wrote:Folklore wrote:Why in the world would you bring this back up after your last 4 posts here? lol
Things change. Those posts were essentially a whole team ago, before a trade brought in an extra 30-minute player. I didn't even really look at those posts, other that to laugh at how quickly things can change.
But, at the same time, I'm not some bitter curmudgeon who thinks he is always right or always has to be right. I've been here over 20 years, I've had plenty of posts that look foolish in hindsight. I don't let those affect how I think of myself as a person or as a RealGM poster.
First the joke
“Joe Ingles is now the highest paid inbounder in the history of Basketball”

Now the serious
Joe Ingles is an end of bench guy. Klomp your takes were reasonable when you made them, they are still reasonable even after everything worked out the way it did. We don’t know these guys, we don’t know their health, we don’t know their work ethic behind the scenes or how they react to the pains of aging in one of the most athletic businesses in the world. Joe on paper had a lot to contribute. You took a positive approach, I took a negative one, and honestly I wish you had been right and I had been wrong. Your take wasn’t foolish then and it isn’t foolish now. It was just a prediction based on a set of variables that no one really has enough information on.
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winforlose wrote:Klomp wrote:Folklore wrote:Why in the world would you bring this back up after your last 4 posts here? lol
Things change. Those posts were essentially a whole team ago, before a trade brought in an extra 30-minute player. I didn't even really look at those posts, other that to laugh at how quickly things can change.
But, at the same time, I'm not some bitter curmudgeon who thinks he is always right or always has to be right. I've been here over 20 years, I've had plenty of posts that look foolish in hindsight. I don't let those affect how I think of myself as a person or as a RealGM poster.
First the joke
“Joe Ingles is now the highest paid inbounder in the history of Basketball”
Now the serious
Joe Ingles is an end of bench guy. Klomp your takes were reasonable when you made them, they are still reasonable even after everything worked out the way it did. We don’t know these guys, we don’t know their health, we don’t know their work ethic behind the scenes or how they react to the pains of aging in one of the most athletic businesses in the world. Joe on paper had a lot to contribute. You took a positive approach, I took a negative one, and honestly I wish you had been right and I had been wrong. Your take wasn’t foolish then and it isn’t foolish now. It was just a prediction based on a set of variables that no one really has enough information on.
Yes things change and opinions should do the same.but unfortunately, Joe was Joe since the signing. He should have never been given minutes unless there were major injuries. He's here because of Mike and Rudy, but especially Rudy to sign that new contract. Even when he played he looked like he shouldn't be on the court and that was him fresh. I'm tired of getting vets who can't play. A vet can be valuable on the bench with the other coaches and not on the books.
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Folklore wrote:winforlose wrote:Klomp wrote:Things change. Those posts were essentially a whole team ago, before a trade brought in an extra 30-minute player. I didn't even really look at those posts, other that to laugh at how quickly things can change.
But, at the same time, I'm not some bitter curmudgeon who thinks he is always right or always has to be right. I've been here over 20 years, I've had plenty of posts that look foolish in hindsight. I don't let those affect how I think of myself as a person or as a RealGM poster.
First the joke
“Joe Ingles is now the highest paid inbounder in the history of Basketball”
Now the serious
Joe Ingles is an end of bench guy. Klomp your takes were reasonable when you made them, they are still reasonable even after everything worked out the way it did. We don’t know these guys, we don’t know their health, we don’t know their work ethic behind the scenes or how they react to the pains of aging in one of the most athletic businesses in the world. Joe on paper had a lot to contribute. You took a positive approach, I took a negative one, and honestly I wish you had been right and I had been wrong. Your take wasn’t foolish then and it isn’t foolish now. It was just a prediction based on a set of variables that no one really has enough information on.
Yes things change and opinions should do the same.but unfortunately, Joe was Joe since the signing. He should have never been given minutes unless there were major injuries. He's here because of Mike and Rudy, but especially Rudy to sign that new contract. Even when he played he looked like he shouldn't be on the court and that was him fresh. I'm tired of getting vets who can't play. A vet can be valuable on the bench with the other coaches and not on the books.
Your talking to the guy who called him the Ghost of Joe Ingles. But to let you in on a secret, I very much wish I was wrong and Klomp was right. I wish we could have squeezed Joe for that last bit of basketball inside him and helped the culture at the time. He chose hope, I chose what I considered to be a more grounded outlook. Sometimes optimism is right sometimes pessimism is right, but neither is foolish.
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winforlose wrote:Folklore wrote:winforlose wrote:
First the joke
“Joe Ingles is now the highest paid inbounder in the history of Basketball”
Now the serious
Joe Ingles is an end of bench guy. Klomp your takes were reasonable when you made them, they are still reasonable even after everything worked out the way it did. We don’t know these guys, we don’t know their health, we don’t know their work ethic behind the scenes or how they react to the pains of aging in one of the most athletic businesses in the world. Joe on paper had a lot to contribute. You took a positive approach, I took a negative one, and honestly I wish you had been right and I had been wrong. Your take wasn’t foolish then and it isn’t foolish now. It was just a prediction based on a set of variables that no one really has enough information on.
Yes things change and opinions should do the same.but unfortunately, Joe was Joe since the signing. He should have never been given minutes unless there were major injuries. He's here because of Mike and Rudy, but especially Rudy to sign that new contract. Even when he played he looked like he shouldn't be on the court and that was him fresh. I'm tired of getting vets who can't play. A vet can be valuable on the bench with the other coaches and not on the books.
Your talking to the guy who called him the Ghost of Joe Ingles. But to let you in on a secret, I very much wish I was wrong and Klomp was right. I wish we could have squeezed Joe for that last bit of basketball inside him and helped the culture at the time. He chose hope, I chose what I considered to be a more grounded outlook. Sometimes optimism is right sometimes pessimism is right, but neither is foolish.
I wish hope for all of our players but it feels like someone from the inside doesn't want us to succeed. But I do believe that Joe has value even while on the bench. He's just not Haslem.
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Folklore wrote:winforlose wrote:Folklore wrote:
Yes things change and opinions should do the same.but unfortunately, Joe was Joe since the signing. He should have never been given minutes unless there were major injuries. He's here because of Mike and Rudy, but especially Rudy to sign that new contract. Even when he played he looked like he shouldn't be on the court and that was him fresh. I'm tired of getting vets who can't play. A vet can be valuable on the bench with the other coaches and not on the books.
Your talking to the guy who called him the Ghost of Joe Ingles. But to let you in on a secret, I very much wish I was wrong and Klomp was right. I wish we could have squeezed Joe for that last bit of basketball inside him and helped the culture at the time. He chose hope, I chose what I considered to be a more grounded outlook. Sometimes optimism is right sometimes pessimism is right, but neither is foolish.
I wish hope for all of our players but it feels like someone from the inside doesn't want us to succeed. But I do believe that Joe has value even while on the bench. He's just not Haslem.
I do actually wonder if TC might be intentionally hurting us on his way out. In any case no one on this board signed Jingles or Dozier, or Garza. All any of us do is predict how it ends. I saw something negative, some others including you agreed with me. Klomp saw something positive, some others agreed with him. None of us had the power to change any of it, just predict it. That’s all I am saying.
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