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Who wins a 7-game series: 2023-24 vs. 2024-25 Timberwolves?

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Who wins the series?

2024-25
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25%
2023-24
15
75%
 
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Re: Who wins a 7-game series: 2023-24 vs. 2024-25 Timberwolves? 

Post#41 » by BlacJacMac » Tue Apr 8, 2025 4:08 pm

shrink wrote:
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TimberKat wrote:That is right. How the hell can you be a max NBA player and never learned to shoot a 3 pt shoot?

I tend to agree in modern NBA where defense is definitely not a priority.

When Towns said that he changed the game, many people laughed at him, but it’s kind of true.

With the exception of Dirk Nowitzki, bigs that shot three pointers was virtually unheard of for decades. Junior high and high school coaches basically forbade their bigs from outside shooting, demanding they get down in the post. Towns himself only shot 8 3PA in his career at Kentucky and made 2, though he claimed he could make that shot. In his rookie season, he was only allowed to take 1.1 3PA a game, but the NBA could see what a valuable weapon that could be against immobile opposing centers. In his second year, 2016-17, Towns was taking 3.4 3PA. GSW in 2016-17 was showing the effectiveness of the three pointer for all players. Porzingas was called a “unicorn” back then, because a tall center that could shoot three’s was such a rarity. Players like Brook Lopez, who had made 3 three pointers in the first eight years of his career, made 134 in 2016-17! In the years that followed, centers that could shoot three pointers became less of a novelty, as young developing centers picked up those skills, and coaches at all levels allowed them to take those shots. Towns actually did change the game.

So why didn’t Rudy? It’s not like it wouldn’t help if he set those massive screens up top, and also had a three point shot, right? I suspect we didn’t see it because he didn’t have any aptitude or shot mechanics to even pursue that goal. And of course, Gobert was already one of the NBA’s best offensive rebounders, plus he is an incredibly impactful player you want on the floor, even without the three pointers was shot.

After nine years, the game has changed so much that centers who could shoot three pointers went from “unicorn” status to become an expectation. Centers that couldn’t do that were often replaced by young centers that could. Rudy though is so good, he is still incredibly valuable without that shot, despite the way the game has so quickly changed.


100%

Gobert is a career 63% FT shooter that has never shown range outside of 3 feet. He has poor mechanics and no touch at all.

Brook Lopez, in contrast, is a career 80% FT shooter and in the 8 years prior to shooting 3s was a respectable mid-range shooter - and even a ~40% shooter from the "long two" range.
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Re: Who wins a 7-game series: 2023-24 vs. 2024-25 Timberwolves? 

Post#42 » by TimberKat » Tue Apr 8, 2025 11:36 pm

shrink wrote:
FrenchMinnyFan wrote:
TimberKat wrote:That is right. How the hell can you be a max NBA player and never learned to shoot a 3 pt shoot?

I tend to agree in modern NBA where defense is definitely not a priority.

When Towns said that he changed the game, many people laughed at him, but it’s kind of true.

With the exception of Dirk Nowitzki, bigs that shot three pointers was virtually unheard of for decades. Junior high and high school coaches basically forbade their bigs from outside shooting, demanding they get down in the post. Towns himself only shot 8 3PA in his career at Kentucky and made 2, though he claimed he could make that shot. In his rookie season, he was only allowed to take 1.1 3PA a game, but the NBA could see what a valuable weapon that could be against immobile opposing centers. In his second year, 2016-17, Towns was taking 3.4 3PA. GSW in 2016-17 was showing the effectiveness of the three pointer for all players. Porzingas was called a “unicorn” back then, because a tall center that could shoot three’s was such a rarity. Players like Brook Lopez, who had made 3 three pointers in the first eight years of his career, made 134 in 2016-17! In the years that followed, centers that could shoot three pointers became less of a novelty, as young developing centers picked up those skills, and coaches at all levels allowed them to take those shots. Towns actually did change the game.

So why didn’t Rudy? It’s not like it wouldn’t help if he set those massive screens up top, and also had a three point shot, right? I suspect we didn’t see it because he didn’t have any aptitude or shot mechanics to even pursue that goal. And of course, Gobert was already one of the NBA’s best offensive rebounders, plus he is an incredibly impactful player you want on the floor, even without the three pointers was shot.

After nine years, the game has changed so much that centers who could shoot three pointers went from “unicorn” status to become an expectation. Centers that couldn’t do that were often replaced by young centers that could. Rudy though is so good, he is still incredibly valuable without that shot, despite the way the game has so quickly changed.

Exactly, we need to look at the overall value and not pick on a few aspects. He helps a team win games. Could he improve? Absolutely but who he is now is still valuable in my opinion.
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Re: Who wins a 7-game series: 2023-24 vs. 2024-25 Timberwolves? 

Post#43 » by Ethomasp31 » Wed Apr 9, 2025 1:50 am

Sorry but DDV makes this team so much more dangerous than last years team. Does Randle have flaws? Yeah but KAT had plenty of flaws too. We had to play McLaughlin, Morris and Slo-Mo last year. They were trash and shouldn't be playing in the playoffs for anyone. This team is much deeper. Flagrant Howls had a run down of the stats the second half of the season and we are better this year than we were last year in the second half of the season. This group we play at the beginning of the 4th quarter without ANT and Randle not playing? We had nothing like that last year when ANT was out of the game.
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Re: Who wins a 7-game series: 2023-24 vs. 2024-25 Timberwolves? 

Post#44 » by Ethomasp31 » Wed Apr 9, 2025 2:01 am

Ethomasp31 wrote:Sorry but DDV makes this team so much more dangerous than last years team. Does Randle have flaws? Yeah but KAT had plenty of flaws too. We had to play McLaughlin, Morris and Slo-Mo last year. They were trash and shouldn't be playing in the playoffs for anyone. This team is much deeper. Flagrant Howls had a run down of the stats the second half of the season and we are better this year than we were last year in the second half of the season. This group we play at the beginning of the 4th quarter without ANT and Randle not playing? We had nothing like that last year when ANT was out of the game.



And then a 16-0 run ruins everything. This game was over and now we are going to struggle to win. Too much settling.
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Re: Who wins a 7-game series: 2023-24 vs. 2024-25 Timberwolves? 

Post#45 » by TimberKat » Wed Apr 9, 2025 2:34 am

I think we can close this thread. The answer is obvious. The 24 team will lead by 20 going into 4th qtr. Gobert punch out Gobert and Towns score 25 in 4th qtr to win.
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Re: Who wins a 7-game series: 2023-24 vs. 2024-25 Timberwolves? 

Post#46 » by Klomp » Wed Apr 9, 2025 4:13 am

TimberKat wrote:I think we can close this thread. The answer is obvious. The 24 team will lead by 20 going into 4th qtr. Gobert punch out Gobert and Towns score 25 in 4th qtr to win.

:lol:

You're probably right. This team might actually have more in common with 2022-23.....or even 2021-22.
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Re: Who wins a 7-game series: 2023-24 vs. 2024-25 Timberwolves? 

Post#47 » by FrenchMinnyFan » Wed Apr 9, 2025 7:12 am

Klomp wrote:
TimberKat wrote:I think we can close this thread. The answer is obvious. The 24 team will lead by 20 going into 4th qtr. Gobert punch out Gobert and Towns score 25 in 4th qtr to win.

:lol:

You're probably right. This team might actually have more in common with 2022-23.....or even 2021-22.


2022-23, ages ago, when we were talking about ANT immaturity... clearly improved since :)
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Re: Who wins a 7-game series: 2023-24 vs. 2024-25 Timberwolves? 

Post#48 » by BlacJacMac » Wed Apr 9, 2025 4:28 pm

Ethomasp31 wrote:Sorry but DDV makes this team so much more dangerous than last years team. Does Randle have flaws? Yeah but KAT had plenty of flaws too. We had to play McLaughlin, Morris and Slo-Mo last year. They were trash and shouldn't be playing in the playoffs for anyone. This team is much deeper. Flagrant Howls had a run down of the stats the second half of the season and we are better this year than we were last year in the second half of the season. This group we play at the beginning of the 4th quarter without ANT and Randle not playing? We had nothing like that last year when ANT was out of the game.


Did they account for KAT missing nearly 20 games down the stretch?
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Re: Who wins a 7-game series: 2023-24 vs. 2024-25 Timberwolves? 

Post#49 » by shrink » Wed Apr 9, 2025 11:22 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:
Ethomasp31 wrote:Sorry but DDV makes this team so much more dangerous than last years team. Does Randle have flaws? Yeah but KAT had plenty of flaws too. We had to play McLaughlin, Morris and Slo-Mo last year. They were trash and shouldn't be playing in the playoffs for anyone. This team is much deeper. Flagrant Howls had a run down of the stats the second half of the season and we are better this year than we were last year in the second half of the season. This group we play at the beginning of the 4th quarter without ANT and Randle not playing? We had nothing like that last year when ANT was out of the game.

Did they account for KAT missing nearly 20 games down the stretch?

I don’t listen any more because Phil Mackey seems completely incapable of making apples-to-apples comparisons, so I’m going to guess, “of course he didn’t.”
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Re: Who wins a 7-game series: 2023-24 vs. 2024-25 Timberwolves? 

Post#50 » by Ethomasp31 » Thu Apr 10, 2025 11:49 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:
Ethomasp31 wrote:Sorry but DDV makes this team so much more dangerous than last years team. Does Randle have flaws? Yeah but KAT had plenty of flaws too. We had to play McLaughlin, Morris and Slo-Mo last year. They were trash and shouldn't be playing in the playoffs for anyone. This team is much deeper. Flagrant Howls had a run down of the stats the second half of the season and we are better this year than we were last year in the second half of the season. This group we play at the beginning of the 4th quarter without ANT and Randle not playing? We had nothing like that last year when ANT was out of the game.


Did they account for KAT missing nearly 20 games down the stretch?


To be fair, DDV missed 19 games, Randle missed 13 games and Gobert missed 9 games the second half of the year this year.

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