Kevin Durant

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The Timberwolves have a long line of Kevins that we could be adding to here!

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Would love to see Ant get his GOAT.

Any combo of Randle, DDV and their 17th pick should be moved to get KD. 2 epic runs with KD and Ant would be great for Minny.

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Good to see MIN chosen, but these are dumb guys (“new owner Marc Loar” and “MIN or NYK”). Talking about Ant is more exciting for ESPN. Doesn’t make them wrong though.

Btw, Doogie said today they is lots of desire for Durant in the Wolves front office

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There is more and more steam out there that PHX will trade Durant at the draft. This makes it less likely that he’ll end up in MIN, because our likely salary-matching components won’t have guaranteed money next year (new deals), until after the draft, and it would make Randle, Naz and NAW ineligible to be included in a trade.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Randle and Reid are both extension eligible. We all assume it means picking up the player option in these circumstances, but it could also mean declining the options in an extend-and-trade. I'm guessing this triggers BYC, which would make things trickier, but it's not impossible. It also allows you to line up the math dollar for dollar more easily.

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There is more and more steam out there that PHX will trade Durant at the draft. This makes it less likely that he’ll end up in MIN, because our likely salary-matching components won’t have guaranteed money next year (new deals), until after the draft, and it would make Randle, Naz and NAW ineligible to be included in a trade.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Randle and Reid are both extension eligible. We all assume it means picking up the player option in these circumstances, but it could also mean declining the options in an extend-and-trade. I'm guessing this triggers BYC, which would make things trickier, but it's not impossible. It also allows you to line up the math dollar for dollar more easily.

Let me try to simply it.

1. You can only trade players before the next season starts if they have a contract with guaranteed money for next year.

2. Base Year Compensation (BYC) occurs if a player gets a new deal who’s first year is for more than 120% of his previous salary.

So for Randle, that would mean a deal whose first year is greater than 1.2 x $33 mil, or $39.6. Unlikely.
For Naz, that would mean a deal whose first year is greater than 1.2 x $14 mil, $16.8. Very possible.
For NAW, that would mean a deal whose first year is greater than 1.2 x 4.3 mil or $5.16. Almost certainly.

3. If a player under BYC is traded, his contract only counts for half for the outgoing team, complicating trades.

4. Just a reminder since this is in the KD thread. If a team receives a sign-and-trade player in trade, it triggers the FIRST apron.

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Ben Beecken of Lock’d On made an interesting, if unlikely, point.

Suppose we refuse to give Randle an extension, but he opts in anyway because other teams don’t have the cap space to give him a free agent deal. At this point, he and his agent may work with the team to find a trade to a team that would be willing to extend him, and lock in more money. This could occur any time after he picks up the option, and is most likely during the first week of the new year during free agency, but trades could happen any time after that.

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4. Just a reminder since this is in the KD thread. If a team receives a sign-and-trade player in trade, it triggers the FIRST apron.

And that would almost certainly rule out my scenario, especially if we were only talking about two-team trades. Thanks.

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Ben Beecken of Lock’d On made an interesting, if unlikely, point.

Suppose we refuse to give Randle an extension, but he opts in anyway because other teams don’t have the cap space to give him a free agent deal. At this point, he and his agent may work with the team to find a trade to a team that would be willing to extend him, and lock in more money. This could occur any time after he picks up the option, and is most likely during the first week of the new year during free agency, but trades could happen any time after that.

For sure. And honestly, at this point he may even see the writing on the wall here in some ways.

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There is more and more steam out there that PHX will trade Durant at the draft. This makes it less likely that he’ll end up in MIN, because our likely salary-matching components won’t have guaranteed money next year (new deals), until after the draft, and it would make Randle, Naz and NAW ineligible to be included in a trade.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Randle and Reid are both extension eligible. We all assume it means picking up the player option in these circumstances, but it could also mean declining the options in an extend-and-trade. I'm guessing this triggers BYC, which would make things trickier, but it's not impossible. It also allows you to line up the math dollar for dollar more easily.

Let me try to simply it.

1. You can only trade players before the next season starts if they have a contract with guaranteed money for next year.

2. Base Year Compensation (BYC) occurs if a player gets a new deal who’s first year is for more than 120% of his previous salary.

So for Randle, that would mean a deal whose first year is greater than 1.2 x $33 mil, or $39.6. Unlikely.
For Naz, that would mean a deal whose first year is greater than 1.2 x $14 mil, $16.8. Very possible.
For NAW, that would mean a deal whose first year is greater than 1.2 x 4.3 mil or $5.16. Almost certainly.

3. If a player under BYC is traded, his contract only counts for half for the outgoing team, complicating trades.

4. Just a reminder since this is in the KD thread. If a team receives a sign-and-trade player in trade, it triggers the FIRST apron.

[Lowe]: A trade where the Wolves send Rudy Gobert and Donte DiVincenzo to the Suns for Kevin Durant is one that is batted around league circles

Considering all implications of sign-and-trades and Randle/Reid situation, I wonder if Gobert, DDV and salary filler for Kevin Durant is the easiest way to get KD.

To be honest if no picks, no TJ, Clark are involved I would do Gobert, DDV, Dillingham for KD in a heartbeat. I dont know if it is possible, but if MIN can expand this trade and re-route DDV, Dillingham, Miller and Minott to CHI in order to get Ball and Jalen Smith. In this case CHI would send expiring contract and future FRPs to PHO. Then resign Reid and NAW, trade Randle for some assets. Draft Sorber, Thiero. Give Sorber a year to fully recover, then let him and Thiero adapt to NBA game and improve 3PT shot.

Smith/Reid/Sorber
KD/McDaniels/Thiero
McDaniels/TJ/Thiero
Edwards/Clark/NAW
Ball/NAW/Conley

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Yes, Gobert+DDV for KD is the easiest, but we would have to move Naz and or Randle to get values back. My hope is to have a core of Gobert, KD, JMcD, Ant. I think that give us the best balance on both end of the floor. The Randle, KD, and Naz combo at CT/ PF is swiss cheese on sourdough - Full of holes and doesn't taste good.

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Heat don’t seem to make sense in that conversation.

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Heat don’t seem to make sense in that conversation.

Third or fourth team as a Randle destination?

Could we get....
Durant to HOU
Randle to MIA
Jabari and more to MIN
Gobert to PHX

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Whether you can get KD for Randle, DDV, Rob, salary filler and a pick or not the biggest need for me is still a PG that can handle, penetrate the paint and dish without turning it over all the time. I'm biased but Rondo would be like ointment on a wound in this situation. Not even prime Rondo, the one from 5 years ago would do just fine.

Two years in a row the biggest obstacle for this team in the playoffs has been the lack of easy offense. They can get enough stops when they need to, but offense is poking your eyes out bad and it's because they have no one who can reliably touch the paint every possession down.

Would love KD btw, one of my all time favs, but they need a point guard BAD

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Two years in a row the biggest obstacle for this team in the playoffs has been the lack of easy offense. They can get enough stops when they need to, but offense is poking your eyes out bad and it's because they have no one who can reliably touch the paint every possession down.

Kevin Durant can get some of the easiest offense in the league by himself