Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning

TimberKat · Post #541 » by **TimberKat** » Sun Jun 15, 2025 8:08 pm

younggunsmn wrote:Orlando gave Memphis the Gobert special for Desmond Bane? With that contract?

Do you think GMs call each other now and ask about players and the other guys go, " well he's not on the table, but if you wanted to give me the Rudy Gobert platter I would listen".

Should make Orlando a lot better though. Bane adds shooting and some playmaking and with him and Suggs in the backcourt their defense should be pretty good.

When everyone is special than no one is special anymore. First round pick values are what they are now with one and done, free agency and caps. Late first rounders are worthless. By the time they are ready to contribute, they will be too expensive. 4 first for Bane with salary filler isn't so bad if that is the one piece to put you over the top. However I would had waited until next year to see how the PHX pick pan out.

guest81 · Post #542 » by **guest81** » Sun Jun 15, 2025 9:11 pm

If Bane goes for 4 picks would giannis go for 10 or more if it were doable?

Neeva · Post #543 » by **Neeva** » Sun Jun 15, 2025 9:21 pm

It’s really 5, if you count the swap. Bane isn’t an all star and I can see his play starting to go downhill the closer he gets to 30.

jpatrick · Post #544 » by **jpatrick** » Sun Jun 15, 2025 9:52 pm

People love TSJ. I really like him, but he’s already 25, don’t think his ceiling is that high. Would love to be wrong.

Would we consider sending him home to Chicago? #12/Ball for TSJ/NAW? Not even positive that is legal as NAW S/T would have BYC compensation issues. But with 12/17, we could grab something like Beringer and Coward, which, along with Ball, would really balance out our roster longterm. And as much as Bulls’ fans have love for TSJ from his time at Illinois, not sure they’d love this.

Neeva · Post #545 » by **Neeva** » Sun Jun 15, 2025 10:39 pm

I think we see a big jump from TJ in his second year. If Finch plays him more of course.

Danimals · Post #546 » by **Danimals** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 12:43 am

Not considering the cost, who are the point guards that you all would consider the best fit for our roster?

Norseman79 · Post #547 » by **Norseman79** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:56 am

Danimals wrote:Not considering the cost, who are the point guards that you all would consider the best fit for our roster?

Next to Ant? Do you mean realistic or in general?

Post #548 » by **Klomp** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 2:05 am

I called the Memphis shakeup, just didn't expect it to be Bane

Danimals · Post #549 » by **Danimals** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 2:30 am

Norseman79 wrote:
Danimals wrote:Not considering the cost, who are the point guards that you all would consider the best fit for our roster?

Next to Ant? Do you mean realistic or in general?

Yes, in general.

Norseman79 · Post #550 » by **Norseman79** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 2:58 am

jpatrick wrote:People love TSJ. I really like him, but he’s already 25, don’t think his ceiling is that high. Would love to be wrong.

Would we consider sending him home to Chicago? #12/Ball for TSJ/NAW? Not even positive that is legal as NAW S/T would have BYC compensation issues. But with 12/17, we could grab something like Beringer and Coward, which, along with Ball, would really balance out our roster longterm. And as much as Bulls’ fans have love for TSJ from his time at Illinois, not sure they’d love this.

If he is a nice bench piece that can score, how much higher does his ceiling need to be?

Note30 · Post #551 » by **Note30** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:48 am

TimberKat wrote:
minimus wrote:I guess NAW to ORL doesn't make sense anymore

Gobert to ORL now makes sense but they are out of picks

I'd take Franz over Gobert.

FrenchMinnyFan · Post #552 » by **FrenchMinnyFan** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:13 am

Klomp wrote:I called the Memphis shakeup, just didn't expect it to be Bane

It's a bit strange move on my opinion. Unless the want to rebuild but they have Ja, JJJ and a couple of good players. They are a in-between , quite good but not good enough to be a contender.

minimus · Post #553 » by **minimus** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:40 am

Neeva wrote:
minimus wrote:
Neeva wrote:Who trades that many picks for a non star or guy that doesn’t play that well in play offs and has questionable defense orlando

Do the magic think Suggs or Bane are a point guard?

TOR won championship with FVV/Lowry. The East is wide open after BOS collapse, all ORL need is a healthy season

The fit is like Booker and Beal when Suns first acquired Beal and convinced themselves along with their fans that they would really work but I doubt Bane will be as big a disaster as Beal has been.

PHO never had defensive identity ORL have

minimus · Post #554 » by **minimus** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:48 am

Neeva wrote:
minimus wrote:It looks like teams will be desperate to acquire more shooting. At this point Id be happy to keep Reid, NAW/DDV and trade Randle and #17 for Cameron Johnson and one of Brokklyn late 2025 FRPs

Why would johnson be worth more than Randle?

He is the best shooter on the market after KD.

minimus · Post #555 » by **minimus** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 7:41 am

Howard Cosell wrote:Is Memphis keeping Ja Morant after trading away Bane for all those draft picks?

Read on Twitter

minimus · Post #556 » by **minimus** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 8:02 am

Danimals wrote:Not considering the cost, who are the point guards that you all would consider the best fit for our roster?

Darius Garland without his 200/5 contract. In other words fully developed Rob Dillingham but on rookie contract.

Norseman79 · Post #557 » by **Norseman79** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 10:46 am

Danimals wrote:
Norseman79 wrote:
Danimals wrote:Not considering the cost, who are the point guards that you all would consider the best fit for our roster?

Next to Ant? Do you mean realistic or in general?

Yes, in general.

Haliburton

minimus · Post #558 » by **minimus** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 10:47 am

It would be such an irony if after ORL traded for Bane thinking about wiiide open East, KD and Giannis both will land in East as well. Is Giannis to NYK, KD to MIA feasible?

ILC · Post #559 » by **ILC** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 11:21 am

I don't believe the KD stuff is done at all, but if it is, Tim needs to find a way to get a point guard. I love Mike, I understand the promise Tim made he won't move him, but there has to be a scenario where he can get in another situation for a good team coming off the bench while MIN gets a PG upgrade.

Lonzo would be ok, but I'd try to get in on Fox first maybe if SAS draft Harper and want to pivot again to going younger. Maybe Ivey, Jrue for the right price, White, Ja for the really right price.

shrink · Post #560 » by **shrink** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:02 pm

Danimals wrote:Not considering the cost, who are the point guards that you all would consider the best fit for our roster?

I may be a little different on this one. Right now, Ant could use a PG to help with the playmaking, a guy that could defend well enough to not be targeted, and if he was a scoring threat too, it would help Ant rest more during games and the season. But point guards that do all three of these things are stars, and expensive to acquire and retain.

However, we’re not looking for a PG that would help Ant right now, we are looking for one for next season and beyond. I believe that for Ant to progress, he needs to spend the summer improving his playmaking, particularly learning how to throw the lob to Gobert and activate him as a threat offensively. Many teams today want the ball in the hands of their best player, regardless of whether he is a traditional PG.

If we get THAT Ant, then we could roll with a different, more affordable, back court mate. A cheaper, 3&D perimeter defender would be plenty. I think Connelly believes DiVincenzo could be that guy, but he had a down year after the trade. But any, non-hunted, guard could do this job. I don’t dislike the Ball rumors.