A real #2

[Norseman79]

Scottie Barnes?

I like Scottie a lot. But I doubt they're ready to give up on him.

And I don't see us having the pieces to beat other offers.

Would you offer Randle and DDV for him?

If I am Toronto, it will cost a lot more than those two.

[cmoss84]

Closer?
Utah trades 2 (presumably) late FRP for DDV
Toronto gets those picks, along with Randle and TSJ
We get Barnes and Shead
Mike/RD/Shead
Ant
Jaden
Barnes
Rudy
Naz 6th man

[Norseman79]

Closer?
Utah trades 2 (presumably) late FRP for DDV
Toronto gets those picks, along with Randle and TSJ
We get Barnes and Shead
Mike/RD/Shead
Ant
Jaden
Barnes
Rudy
Naz 6th man

Essentially, Randle, TSJ, 2 late firsts? Id say you would have to throw in Dilly and then it's still a big maybe. But, MN would have an amazing frontcourt, however, Barnes would be a 3 and Jaden would kick to the 4. Barnes is only like 6'7

[cmoss84]

Thanks for your guy's feedback.
Last one.
Boston gets Bam and 2-3 young prospects
Miami gets Randle and Pritchard
MN gets White

[BlacJacMac]

Closer?
Utah trades 2 (presumably) late FRP for DDV
Toronto gets those picks, along with Randle and TSJ
We get Barnes and Shead
Mike/RD/Shead
Ant
Jaden
Barnes
Rudy
Naz 6th man

I still don't see why Utah is trading 1st round picks for a 28 year-old roleplayer when they aren't even close to being a Playoff team.

And I think Toronto can do better for Barnes.

[cmoss84]

Closer?
Utah trades 2 (presumably) late FRP for DDV
Toronto gets those picks, along with Randle and TSJ
We get Barnes and Shead
Mike/RD/Shead
Ant
Jaden
Barnes
Rudy
Naz 6th man

I still don't see why Utah is trading 1st round picks for a 28 year-old roleplayer when they aren't even close to being a Playoff team.

And I think Toronto can do better for Barnes.

You're probably right on both aspects. I might be the only one on the planet who thinks the Jazz are very near contending for play in. If I'm Brooklyn I am all over Barnes.

[Biff Cooper]

I am not expecting any significant trades until next off-season. Short of an underperforming team, or a rash of injuries at a certain position, I believe we are rolling with what we have all season. Hopefully, Dillingham can make a big step forward on both ends of the court. Hopefully, Finch, coaching staff, (and Ant) can come up with a much better plan for how the team should operate at end of clock situations.

It is kinda fun to throw out names and make up trades that might make sense for both teams, but I just don't see it happening. The team started coming together through last season, and I see them wanting to give it more time to trust the crew we have and internally get better.

As for #1 and #2, Ant needs to draw way more fouls in his isolation attempts and needs to be more willing to share the ball and trust his teammates. Whatever, #2 means - it is likely going to be Randle, McDaniels, Dillingham, or Naz - whichever one has the most favorable matchup.

[BlacJacMac]

I am not expecting any significant trades until next off-season. Short of an underperforming team, or a rash of injuries at a certain position, I believe we are rolling with what we have all season. Hopefully, Dillingham can make a big step forward on both ends of the court. Hopefully, Finch, coaching staff, (and Ant) can come up with a much better plan for how the team should operate at end of clock situations.

It is kinda fun to throw out names and make up trades that might make sense for both teams, but I just don't see it happening. The team started coming together through last season, and I see them wanting to give it more time to trust the crew we have and internally get better.

As for #1 and #2, Ant needs to draw way more fouls in his isolation attempts and needs to be more willing to share the ball and trust his teammates. Whatever, #2 means - it is likely going to be Randle, McDaniels, Dillingham, or Naz - whichever one has the most favorable matchup.

Agreed. I think its likely we really want to see what Dilly and TSJ can do. Not to mention Randle and DDV after a full offseason.

[Klomp]

I am not expecting any significant trades until next off-season.

Honestly, it might be even longer. One thing that I think needs to be considered when discussing not only the value of Randle as a No. 2 but also what it will take to acquire the No. 2s talked about here often is Randle's salary. A $30 million salary this year and a $33 million AAV is quite low for a No. 2 option. And don't come back and say OKC, because both Williams and Holmgren are each locked in on longterm extensions at over $40 million AAV. Those are both max rookie extensions, and veterans on a max extension are making considerably more.

Adding in a DiVincenzo doesn't make that much of a difference yet either. Being over the first apron, I believe we have to get out in order to even aggregate salaries. We are $8,317,013 over the first apron once you add a vet minimum to the 14th spot. So once we get out, adding DiVincenzo to the deal really only adds $3,672,987 of room to go above Randle's salary. We're talking a grand total of 8 players added to the list eligible to be acquired by adding DiVincenzo.

Spoiler:

Tyler Herro
Jordan Poole
Jerami Grant
Jrue Holiday
Immanuel Quickley
Khris Middleton
Jalen Green
Alperen Sengun

That's the list of players who could not currently (as of December 15) be acquired for Julius Randle, but could be acquired for Julius Randle and Donte DiVincenzo.

Where I think the discussion becomes more interesting is if you wanted to make a big move by trading Julius Randle and Rudy Gobert. Today, those two could bring back a single salary as high as $57,547,185....basically, every player in the league except Steph Curry would be financially possible to acquire this season by trading Randle and Gobert.

However, I don't quite foresee the front office ready to take that big of a swing. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they wait as long as possible to trade Gobert, unless Beringer is without a doubt ready for a big role as a starting center (that's almost surely not this year and might not be next year either) or the trade brings up another high-quality big man like Giannis, Bam, Jaren, or dare I say Joker who would fill the No. 2 (or No. 1B) role.