MIN-ORL-MIA: Brutal, but with Friends

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MIN GIVES: Jaric + Craig Smith
MIN GETS: Battie + Smush + MIA 2010 (lottery protected)

ORL GIVES: Garrity + Foyle + Battie + J.J. Redick + Dooling + Arroyo
ORL GETS: Ricky Davis + Craig Smith + Blount + Jaric

MIA GIVES: Ricky Davis + Blount + Smush + MIA 2010 (lottery protected)
MIA GETS: Arroyo + Foyle + Garrity + Dooling + JJ Reddick

Why for MIN: Battie can't produce now, but he may fit down the road and he's used to playing next to an impressive young PF. He's a year shorter than Jaric. Smith, who I like but doesn't fit with Al, becomes a future 1st and we pick up a shooter in Reddick.

Why for ORL: Win now. Ricky Davis becomes the starting SG they've lacked the whole season (Bogans a starter?!?). Blount's outside shooting helps Dwight Howard, and let's him play some PF. When he doesn't, Craig Smith can play PF and let Rashard and Turkoglu play their more natural SF position. And Jaric would match well along with Jameer, and play some back-up 2. Only MIN would consider providing production for the injured Battie. Its a little hard financially, but they move some poorly productive salaries this year for production, and they fill all their team's holes, adding four players to their other four legit players. Maybe they sign a 3rd PG for the vet min, but for now...

Jameer, Jaric
Ricky, Jaric, Evans
Lewis, Turkoglu
Dwight Howard, Craig Smith, Cook
Blount, Dwight

Why for MIA: If they're rebuilding, a less productive expiring is worth the same as the productive Ricky Davis. This gives them some matches with an expiring PG (if they wish to deal Jason Williams) and an expiring center. Its not enough to move $14 mil more of Blount, but ORL is a place where his usefulness would be higher. They use a future pick (or else they could greatly reduce the protections on the pick they already owe us).

[big3_8_19_21]

sure. I like Smith, but he can't be on the court WITH Jefferson, it just doesn't work. Might as well shorten Jaric's deal and get a pick with it. I have low, low expectations for Redick.

[T-HuDfoShizzle]

I agree that Miami would look to free-up some cap space but I cant see them giving us another 1st rd pick

[deeney0]

I still hate trading Smith to move Jaric. I think Cookie and Al can both improve their D and be on the court at the same time.

[Krapinsky]

LOL. Miami give a first rounder to get Davis and Blount, and then 2 months later gives up another first roudner to get rid of the same players. Or effectively gives up two first rounders (whihc will be lottery picks mind you) for the pu pu platter of Arroyo + Foyle + Garrity + Dooling.

I would love to see it happen, but Pat Riley probably doesn't want to get shot by some Heat fan

[mnWI]

I think probably all NBA decision makers have realized that Mark Blount and Ricky Davis do the opposite of helping you win now. Good trade for Orlando if they want to tank.

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I agree that Miami would look to free-up some cap space but I cant see them giving us another 1st rd pick

I agree that's a tough pill to swallow, but what else could they offer? Davis isn't enough to get a team to eat Blount's final $16.5 mil, even if ORL would have a little use for him.

I considered having them reduce the protection on the pick they owe us, but I think they'd hate that even more.

I share big3's low expectations of JJ Reddick. I suppose I could send him to MIA, and they send us the expiring Smush Parker, to make giving up the protected pick more palatable.

[4ho5ive]

Im not sure D12 has the offense to play PF. He seems much better suited as a 5 IMO.

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Didn't he play PF with Battie at center? Or did Battie play PF?

BTW, I modified the trade a bit. I don't see a big need for JJ Reddick here, so I sent him to MIA to soften the blow of giving up the lotto-protected 2010 pick, while we take Smush's expiring deal back.

I understand a team that wants to rebuild doesn't want to give up a pick, even if they are saving $16.5 mil to help rebuild financially. I'm wide open though to other ideas where MIA can add value to this deal less painfully.

[4ho5ive]

I thought Battie played PF, but now i cant find anything and im second guessing myself....

[Hoops23]

No way Miami trade a pick just to dump Blount. Mark Blount is not a burden and in fact we need him because Shaq is old and never complete games in a season.

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Adonal Foyle replaces Blount to finish the season for you.

I pointed this out on the Trade Boards, but I'm sure you remember, when MIN traded Blount and Ricky, they didn't get expirings back. Yeah they got a PROTECTED First, but they had to buy out a player and eat Antoine Walker's big deal .. a tune of over $10 mil extra salary. Ricky and Blount's value has certainly not gotten better this season.

I think Ricky and Mark are more productive than any team in the league, but ORL won't eat $16.5 mil of Blount's deal for expirings with just ricky. MIN subsidizes the additional cost to get an OK out of the Magic, letting ORL move an unusable Battie plus adding Craig Smith, but MIN's not going to do it for free.

[Worm Guts]

Adonal Foyle replaces Blount to finish the season for you.

I pointed this out on the Trade Boards, but I'm sure you remember, when MIN traded Blount and Ricky, they didn't get expirings back. Yeah they got a PROTECTED First, but they had to buy out a player and eat Antoine Walker's big deal .. a tune of over $10 mil extra salary. Ricky and Blount's value has certainly not gotten better this season.
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The Wolves actually saved money on the Davis-Walker deal because of the length of Blount's deal.

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Good point WG. I suppose my response is overlap from the Trade Board. A good poster there made a post 90 minutes after mine sending out the exact same package from MIA, and returning almost entirely expirings. Of course, MIA fans liked it, but personally, I didn't think Davis had enough value to get expirings out of ORL.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic. ... 27&start=0

I was comparing that deal to the other two. Which would MIN have liked more last Summer:

a. Expirings?

b. Or a protected MIA pick, but they have to eat Walker's next year and buy out Wayne Simien. That's $9.8 mil for a protected pick.

Anyway, I had just written a similar post over there, and my thoughts bled over. Sorry about any confusion.

[Hoops23]

Smith and eating the contracts of Jaric worth a 1st round pick!?

[revprodeji]

I really doubt Mia gives another pick unless they get a stud back.

[D' Winner Within]

I like the trade for the Twolves because they got rid of Jaric. Battie is out this season and so are the TWolves, I mean they will not make the playoffs anyway so Battie not playing is not a big deal as long he ready next season. Trading small for big and Battie has a year shorter in contract than Jaric. TWolves drafted Craig Smith in the 2nd round and trading him as part of a poackage to get a future 1st pick. LOL!

IF and IF and I say it again that IF Miami will give out a pick, its the Magic who should get it and not the Twolves

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For ORL, adding $16.5 mil of Blount isn't going to come cheap -- 4 months of Ricky Davis alone isn't worth that.

Taking on Davis and Blount only makes sense if they are in a win-now mode. This deal moves $5.2 mil of guaranteed non-productive Battie, to the only team that would provide production for him. Battie's contract is three years (Jaric's is only one year longer), but they only get two years of production - and none this year, so its like he costs $8.6 mil/year.

For ORL, moving Battie for Jaric is certainly a gain. Moreover, adding Craig Smith is another gain. Would win-now ORL prefer a lottery-protected first, or adding 20 PPG in production?

For MIA crying about giving up a lottery-protected first -- complaining doesn't make it cost less to move Blount. I'd like someone to clean my house, but if I whine "I'll never give up more than $10!" then I should just forget about the housecleaners. Same for moving Blount. Without Ricky, he's only going to cost more to move next year. And giving up a lottery-protected pick to move $16.5 mil of Blount, AND getting JJ Reddick, is a spectacular deal -- nobody gets that much out of a non-lotto pick. Whining about it costing too much seems childish -- just eat the Blount money if its too expensive.

[Flash is the Future]

We'd rather keep Blount than trade a pick to dump him. Shaq needs a backup anyway, and he seems to be up to the task. JJ Redick is worthless. You can send him to Minny. we've got Cook who's already better.