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Post#21 » by 4ho5ive » Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:38 am

JBoog35 wrote:I think it'll be an interesting offseason if Craig doesn't get moved by the deadline. Craig, Gomes, and Toine' play the 4. They may be talked about as 3's but they are 4's. Back up 4's so long as Al is on this team. Can't keep all 3. To be honest, I'm warming to the idea of moving all but Toine'. Gomes and Craig could fetch us a decent deal, not to mention. We could resign Bassy and have plenty left over to give GG another shot.


I disagree, Gomes has been doing a great job at the 3 for us. Craig and 'Toine are 4's. Gomes is a tweener, Craig is strictly a 4. There is a difference.
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Post#22 » by deeney0 » Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:44 am

Gomes has been playing 4 as of late. One could argue that's why he's been playing better.

'Toine will be here most likely, and will probably get minutes, but no reason to figure him into the plans.
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Post#23 » by HotelVitale » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:15 pm

You guys can be very harsh on this board! I just thought I'd throw in my two cents as someone who gets to watch 1-2 Bulls games per week and knows some diehard Bulls fans, tell you Chicago's perspective on things. Tyrus is unpopular with the coaches--for obvious reasons, since he still seems to space out in the middle of offensive sets, forgets to box out his guy, commits stupid fouls on plays he can't make--but most Bulls fans, the announcers, etc wouldn't dream of giving him up for someone who wouldn't help them beat the Pistons or Celtics. When people speak about his 'potential' they don't just mean that he could someday in the distant future be a good player--he's shown 5-6 times this year that he's already perfectly capable of being a game changer and a very very good player. Nobody knows why he has weeks at a time where he lacks focus and seems lost on the court, but other players have had the same problem and figured it out (e.g. Gerald Wallace). He's 21, he's 6'9, he can jump out the gym and block shots with the best of 'em, he wants to succeed, we've seen him dominate, and he plays hard. Why would Bulls fans want to give up on him now?

Also Ben Wallace is still very good at the offensive glass and at deterring shots in the paint, most Bulls fans are screaming for Boylan's head for not giving Noah enough playing time, and Joe Smith has been really good as a backup PF (he hits shots, gets rebounds, knows where to be on defense). They like to give Deng 30-5 minutes per game and Nocioni 25 per, so the front court really is full. If they got someone like Carlos Boozer or Pau Gasol then they would make room, but do you guys honestly see Craig Smith taking the Bulls to another level?

Most Bulls fans would be shocked and disappointed by a Smith for Tyrus trade. It might happen--we don't know how bad the blood has gotten b/w Tyrus and the coaching staff, or if the Bulls really need to shed Tyrus' salary for some unknown future move--but it makes little sense for a struggling team to trade away a player with great potential and a relatively small contract for someone who doesn't seem likely to bring their team to another level. And any fan would be upset be to hear about their team trading away a young athlete because of incompatibility or personnel issues.

And, yes, I follow both the Bulls and Pistons. I probably pull for the Pistons harder, but I lived in Chicago for ten years and most of my family still lives there. It's nice to root for the teams your friends and family are into, and I like watching the game no matter who's playing. I think the Wolves are a very interesting team, too, and I'd probably get into them if I lived in the Twin Cities for 5 years.

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Post#24 » by 4ho5ive » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:22 pm

I dunno, TT just seems like the Forward version of Gerald Green.
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Post#25 » by Krapinsky » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:39 pm

I think TT has a lot more tade value still. I think it would take something like Smith and the Miami pick, but they'd only consider that if they really wanted to move him, which I doubt they do.

The Bulls problems seem to run deeper then tweaking their bit players. The core of Hinrich/Gordon/Deng/Nocioni/Wallace seems to be flawed. If they're not going to move one of those guys I think they should try some small ball and spread the floor a little bit. Hinrich/Gordon/Deng/Tyrus/Noah or Hinrich/Gordon/Deng/Nocioni/Tyrus running and gunning sounds intriguing.
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Post#26 » by LordBaldric » Sat Jan 26, 2008 4:57 am

If Paxson makes a stupid trade getting rid of Tyrus, I want to see him go to the Wolves, seeing as I'm from Minnesota, used to have Wolves season tickets, and they are the other team I root for besides to Bulls.

Big Al is an amazing offensive post player. He has huge array of moves, and here is finally a guy McHale can mold into his own image. However, his interior defense sucks. The Wolves interior D sucks. Tyrus Thomas doesn't have 1/10 of the moves that Big Al has, but the D is there, the shot blocking is there, and he can finish around the rim with authority. I think it would be a great match, and if Minny can get him for cheap they should pull the trigger. The Bulls are going through a real leadership crisis at this point. I think just about anything is possible.

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I thought KG's display at the end of the game tonight was sort of disrispectful towards Minnesota fans. I'm getting a bit pissed with him...
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Post#27 » by mandurugo » Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:46 pm

If Thomas could play defense and rebound at the 4 consistently I would trade Smith and the Miami pick (or more if possible) for him. MN interior does suck, Jefferson needs someone next to him that can be a presence. On the other hand, if TT is the 2nd coming of Green I don't want him.

Assuming the best case scenario for Thomas and drafting Beasley this would give us something like this...

Jefferson Richard Doleac
Thomas Gomes Walker
Beasley Brewer
McCants Jaric
Foye Telfair

That is actually starting to look like a pretty good team. Still Jefferson is better at the 4, it was sad watching him getting bullied in the paint by Perkins in the celtics game. He's just not strong enough to defend centers, I'm not sure adding Thomas would be enough to change that. We would be better off with a Tyson Chandler clone.
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Post#28 » by NCHeels2008 » Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:42 pm

Well if Jefferson can just at least body up the better post player TT can help off weakside most of the game.
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Post#29 » by revprodeji » Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:46 pm

LordBaldric wrote:Big Al is an amazing offensive post player. He has huge array of moves, and here is finally a guy McHale can mold into his own image. However, his interior defense sucks. The Wolves interior D sucks. Tyrus Thomas doesn't have 1/10 of the moves that Big Al has, but the D is there, the shot blocking is there, and he can finish around the rim with authority. I think it would be a great match, and if Minny can get him for cheap they should pull the trigger. The Bulls are going through a real leadership crisis at this point. I think just about anything is possible.

PS

I thought KG's display at the end of the game tonight was sort of disrispectful towards Minnesota fans. I'm getting a bit pissed with him...


Couple things

1.) if we did go small ball and kept Al at the 5 then a shot blocker/rebounder like TT would be interesting. Problem is that Al has an issue keeping other 5's away from the hoop. We just need a big body to keep a body on the other 5. TT does not do that.

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