Why I think we should Trade Gomes for the ATL Pick

[theGreatRC]

I'm starting to dig Rev liking Beasley.

[Klomp]

I'm starting to dig Rev liking Beasley.

I'm not.

[horaceworthy]

Klomp, if not Beasley, then who?

[wolves_fan_82au]

Klomp, if not Beasley, then who?

a deron williams type pg please just look at the difference he made in utah

so rose or Bayless will do me

[4ho5ive]

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a deron williams type pg please just look at the difference he made in utah

so rose or Bayless will do me

Just an opinion bro, but keep that kinda stuff to yourself, i dont judge though

[theGreatRC]

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Just an opinion bro, but keep that kinda stuff to yourself, i dont judge though

[wolves_fan_82au]

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Just an opinion bro, but keep that kinda stuff to yourself, i dont judge though

doh

thats not what i ment
though i guess im gonna be more careful when i type next time

[karch34]

Setting aside Richard Jefferson for the moment, here's the two-team trade I'd offer:

PHO GETS: Ryan Gomes, Jaric, Chris Richard, Gerald Green
MIN GETS: ATL PICK (#18ish), Diaw, Tucker, Piatkowski

It's an interesting thought. I think Diaw could be a nice fit on our team, but is he a clear enough upgrade to increase our salary that much, even for an extra pick?

Breaking it down:

Diaw is better than Jaric, but more expensive.

Tucker vs. Richard is probably equal. Tucker is a nice all around player, but Richard is a big man with some upside. Probably easier to find a player similar to Richard with our 2nd round picks this year.

Green=Pike (both are expirings)

The question is would whomever we get at #18(or thereabout) being better than Gomes? That's a hard one for me to answer. There's some at 18 that might have more upside, but Gomes is a proven commodity.

[shrink]

It's an interesting thought. I think Diaw could be a nice fit on our team, but is he a clear enough upgrade to increase our salary that much, even for an extra pick?

Breaking it down:

Diaw is better than Jaric, but more expensive.

Tucker vs. Richard is probably equal. Tucker is a nice all around player, but Richard is a big man with some upside. Probably easier to find a player similar to Richard with our 2nd round picks this year.

Green=Pike (both are expirings)

The question is would whomever we get at #18(or thereabout) being better than Gomes? That's a hard one for me to answer. There's some at 18 that might have more upside, but Gomes is a proven commodity.

I really like your breakdown! Let me see how I think each team would see it.

FOR PHO:

Diaw < Jaric. Diaw's playing tentative, and he's by far the worst contract on the team (setting aside Shaq). The difference between Jaric and Diaw on the floor this year is not great, and Jaric's numbers would probably improve on PHO, if he got minutes. Financially though, this is a no-brainer for the lux sensitive Suns. The $16 mil in actual savings (cost to MIN) is probably doubled for PHO in lux savings, and getting three lux payments back.

Tucker > Richard. Alando Tucker was the Suns late 1st round pick last year, and while he's done nothing (Strawberry's done better), fans tend to view picks the first year as what they might be, rather than what they will probably be. However, with tucker's lack of production, his guaranteed salary might not be looked upon too favorably. PHO does need more size underneath, and they can cut Richard next season.

Pike < Green. Both are expirings, but Pike doesn't even get on the floor. Gerald Green at least has a chance of helping the Suns.

ATL pick > Gomes. Gomes is a fantastic fit for the Marion-less Suns, because he's a smart player, who provides big production, at a tiny cost, and an unguaranteed contract. It may be hard for the Suns to part with the pick, but after the Bibby trade, they are coming to terms with the fact that the Hawks will most likely make the play-offs in the East. But you don't bring in Shaq because you're playing for next year, and Gomes will certainly help them win.

Three Notes:

1. I think the value of the ATL pick is mostly attached to saving all the money. Teams, including the Suns, have sold late picks in the past for $3 mil. This is a savings of $45 mil. Many times fans on these boards overlook finances, particularly when picks are involved, but I doubt an owner as cheap as Sarver would.

2. MIN may be overpaying here for a non-lottery pick. I might offer Craig Smith first, who's just as good, but not quite as good a fit here or there. Jaric can play SF, particularly on the Suns, he pairs well with Barbosa on the floor as a PG on offense and an SG on defense, which is the suns fans biggest complaints about Barbosa.

3. I included Chris Richard because he helps PHO make its roster minimums, but the deal works just fine as a 3-for-3 + pick.

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FOR MIN:

Diaw = Jaric? He's a year longer ($9 mil) and a couple mil more each year (3 x $2), but he may be a fit at SF that Jaric may never be. He's young (25), and he was productive his first two years in PHO (53% FG, 5.5 RPG, 5.6 APG, 11.5 PPG). This year, he might just need a change in scenery. This is a tough call for me, because I'm averse to long contracts and such a tight squeeze under the lux this year and next , so I'll go by the majority here.

Pike = Green. I doubt we're going to give either one minutes. It'd be a nice thing to do for Green.

Tucker > Richard. I don't know if Tucker will fit, but he's a late first rounder locked into a rookie deal.

ATL Pick > Gomes. Close, but I listed my reasoning in the first post.

[Steve_Holiday]

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The question is would whomever we get at #18(or thereabout) being better than Gomes? That's a hard one for me to answer. There's some at 18 that might have more upside, but Gomes is a proven commodity.

I agree with this completely. I would always take a proven player over a draft pick. I pasted the past 10 #18 picks to put things in perspective, but this could be done for any in that range.

18 Marco Belinelli, Climamio Bologna Golden State (2.4 ppg in 21 games this year)
18 Oleksiy Pecherov, Ukraine Washington (3.4 ppg in 15 games this year)
18 Gerald Green, Gulf Shores Acad (TX) Boston (career 8.1 ppg, riding wolves bench this year)
18. J.R. Smith, St. Benedict

[IcemanMN]

I think we should trade the players we DON't want, and keep the players we DO want. Gomes has played well for us, and deserves to be re-signed.

[horaceworthy]

Gomes is a nice player, and by all accounts we've heard a very good guy. Still, there are decent reasons not to re-sign him after this season.

1.) He's likely going to get a decent contract offer from someone.
2.) He started playing a lot better once his position was switched from SF to PF. He's probably not the long term solution at PF.
3.) He's a good role player, but role player nonetheless. When you're rebuilding, you don't want to lock yourself into long term contracts around the MLE for those types of players.
4.) We've still got a decent shot at the #1 pick (and more than likely will at the end of the season), and Beasley, the clear cut #1 prospect at the moment, plays the same position(s) as Gomes.

[jlove_26]

From a Suns fan's perspective, I'd do just about any deal to get Gomes + here to Phoenix. I like Diaw, especially in the last month and a half or so (because he's become more aggressive and he's showing his true self), but I'd do the Diaw/Tucker/Atl Pick for Jaric/Gomes/Green. That would give the Suns their 13th player (which they are required to have), plus I think all those players would help more than our 2 and the pick. I think Green would flourish as Grant Hill's back-up with the line-ups that Phoenix would have with him on the floor. I've always like Gomes and thought he got a raw deal when shipped out of Beantown. We'd be giving up a big that can pretty much play any position on the floor, but we'd be getting 3 guys that are what D'Antoni likes and that's diverse players. Jaric can play 1-3, Green the 2/3, and Gomes the 3/4. I would even take McCants instead of Gomes for those of you who would rather depart with him instead.

And as far as you that think the Atl pick won't be any good (albeit, they most likely make the playoffs and the pick is out of the lottery--right now they are in the lottery and are sitting with pick #11), the pick will still be 15-17. They're record won't be great compared to the West. If you look at the players that should be available in that area that would look great with a team of McCants/Gomes with Jefferson and Foye:
PG - Collison, Augustin
SG - none
SF - Smith
PF/C - Hibbert, Love, Thompson, Patterson, Ogilvy, White, Hardin and Ibaka (who if the Suns keep the pick and Atlanta makes the playoffs, I'd love for them to get)