Ranking of Wolves players you want to see leave/get traded.

[deeney0]

My point is simply that McCants did nothing to separate himself from Gerald coming into the year.

Shad was coming off a very serious injury, so it's really impossible to compare their 2006's. I don't subscribe to your conspiracy theory. McCants got minutes at the start of the year over Gerald because he earned them in practice

And for the millionth time, I'll point out how hard it is to earn minutes in short burn, especially when you're a jumpshooter who can't find his shot.

I don't care about whether his shot is falling or not. Whether he's in for 5 minutes or 30 should have no effect on how he plays defense, on his shot selection, on his passing.

On the same note, basically everything Gerald has done this year has been an improvement upon last year (rebound rate, assist rate, opponent PER), yet because he can't find his jumpshot he looks like total ****.

He must have been awful last year.

I don't think I'd trust any statistical improvements, seeing as how his minutes have been seriously reduced.

[deeney0]

I'm pretty indifferent to McCants vs Green debate.

I'd probably rather keep Green in all honesty.

Surely you jest.

[eloper]

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He must have been awful last year.

I don't think I'd trust any statistical improvements, seeing as how his minutes have been seriously reduced.

-Gerald's assist rate is higher than McCants this year. What's the problem exactly with Gerald's passing? You yourself said what he's done in previous years doesn't matter, and by all accounts Gerald's done a good job passing the ball this year.

-His shot selection is the same as it was last year, and last year he was a productive scorer. When he's getting consistent minutes, the shots he's taking go in at a rate high enough to justify him taking them. Should he be taking these shots when his shot isn't falling? No of course not, but he doesn't know whether his shot is on or not until he takes a few, and by the time he's done that, he's out of the game.

-Your last comment kills me. You're going to bash him for his shot selection, bash him for being an unproductive player, and yet you won't take into account his statistical improvements because the sample size is too small? The sample size is too small for everything. That is why his play this year has practically no meaning, and if he's being judged as a player he should be judged by his play last year....a year in which he was basically the same player as McCants has been this year.

[the_bruce]

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Surely you jest.

If given the same number of minutes. GG would probably have identical stats to McCants this year. GG put up similar numbers last year.

GG is bigger, more athletic, and younger. The team should take more risk imo and playing GG more is the higher risk, higher reward scenario.

[deeney0]

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-Gerald's assist rate is higher than McCants this year. What's the problem exactly with Gerald's passing? You yourself said what he's done in previous years doesn't matter, and by all accounts Gerald's done a good job passing the ball this year.

I have a problem with McCants' passing, too. And in comparing statistics, remember that Shad is going up against the other teams' best perimeter defenders every night, while Gerald is racking up his TO's against scrubs in garbage time. Based on the number and type of minutes each has gotten, Gerald SHOULD have a much higher A/TO, but he doesn't, they're both hovering around 0.9, committing a TO every 11 minutes of play. But when I say Gerald is a bad passer, I'm talking about the fact that his passes just look bad. He passes into traffic. He gives the ball to guys at their feet.

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-His shot selection is the same as it was last year, and last year he was a productive scorer. When he's getting consistent minutes, the shots he's taking go in at a rate high enough to justify him taking them. Should he be taking these shots when his shot isn't falling? No of course not, but he doesn't know whether his shot is on or not until he takes a few, and by the time he's done that, he's out of the game.

He takes horrible, horrible shots. I don't care if they go in or not, his shot selection sucks.

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his play this year has practically no meaning

At least we agree on something

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and if he's being judged as a player he should be judged by his play last year....a year in which he was basically the same player as McCants has been this year.

Again, Shad is going up against other team's best perimeter defender. Gerald had Paul Pierce to take pressure off him. And if Gerald's shot selection was the same as it was last year, then he was not the same player last year Shad was this year. Shad is much smarter with the ball.

[Carpe Diem]

We are talking about the NBA as though there is some sort of entitlement. Crying over playing time or not getting a fair shake is indicative of a culture of desire over substance. Green should have gone to college and developed his game there. He chose his path and now he is finding out the hard way that the NBA is a tough business. He is not cracking the lineup on one of the lowest teams in the NBA, he has a reputation of being dim, and clearly he is not in MN's plans. He needs to keep quiet, reign in his agent, hustle his arse off at every moment, and make sure he doesn't get the reputation as a cancer. This offseason when his contract runs out he should shake hands with MN and part company in a dignified manner. Somehow I doubt that will happen.

The fact that others are getting playing time or a pass on criticism is irrelevant to Green's situation. It is what it is.

[deeney0]

Just for kicks, in 2008 Gerald's posting a 0.46 A/TO, shooting 30% from three, and committing a foul ever 8 minutes. That's in 13 minutes/game, and in only one appearance did he get less than 10 minutes. He's at 16 pp40.

Shad in 2008 is at 0.94 A/TO, shooting 39% from three, and also committing a foul every 8 minutes. That's in 26 minutes/game. He's at 22 pp40.

[eloper]

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Again, Shad is going up against other team's best perimeter defender. Gerald had Paul Pierce to take pressure off him. And if Gerald's shot selection was the same as it was last year, then he was not the same player last year Shad was this year. Shad is much smarter with the ball.

That couldn't be further from the truth...Pierce missed half the season last year, and thats where most of Geralds minutes came. If you look at his 5 man units from last year, you'd see that the vast majority of his playing time (about 82% of it) came without Pierce on the floor. Most of what Gerald did last year was up against the team's best defenders last year, and for a large portion of the year he was dealing with the team's best perimeter defender.

Just for kicks, in 2008 Gerald's posting a 0.46 A/TO, shooting 30% from three, and committing a foul ever 8 minutes. That's in 13 minutes/game, and in only one appearance did he get less than 10 minutes. He's at 16 pp40.

Shad in 2008 is at 0.94 A/TO, shooting 39% from three, and also committing a foul every 8 minutes. That's in 26 minutes/game. He's at 22 pp40.

You're right, thats just for kicks, because as we agreed the stats he's putting up this year have no statistical value. Go look at last years numbers if you'd like to make a comparison.

[the_bruce]

Just for kicks, in 2008 Gerald's posting a 0.46 A/TO, shooting 30% from three, and committing a foul ever 8 minutes. That's in 13 minutes/game, and in only one appearance did he get less than 10 minutes. He's at 16 pp40.

Shad in 2008 is at 0.94 A/TO, shooting 39% from three, and also committing a foul every 8 minutes. That's in 26 minutes/game. He's at 22 pp40.

How are the assists/boards/steals/blk/etc. I would assume they are nearly identical?

[eloper]

To clarify, that's after January 1st, in 13 games for Gerald. In terms of the entire season, Gerald and McCants have nearly identicle rates across the board, with Gerald rebounding a bit better, and McCants scoring a bit more. McCants picks up .3 more steals per 40 minutes.

Basically, they're the same player statistically when both of their shots are going in.

[deeney0]

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How are the assists/boards/steals/blk/etc. I would assume they are nearly identical?

In 2008, Shad: 3.5 rpg, 2.5 apg, 0.7 spg, 0.2 bpg.
Gerald: 2.3 rpg, 0.5 apg, 0.5 spg, 0.1 bpg.

Shad is playing about twice as many minutes per game as Gerald over that stretch, so double Gerald's numbers to compare. He's got the edge in rebounds (being 5 inches taller, no surprise). Shad's got the edge in assists. I'd call the steals and blocks identical.

[dunkonu21]

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[delux55]

there is no comparisoon with Mccants and Green. Green has zero basketball inteligence and reall yhas no nba game. Not saying mccants is an all star but if you asked every gm in the league who they would take you would get over 90 percent taking mccants maybe even 100 percent.

[revprodeji]

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