If we get the #1 pick

[kandiking]

#1 pick and foye for deron williams?

hey, this is a theoretical trade thread

[B Calrissian]

I would like us to look into a trade for Bogut if we don't get a top 3 pick. Bogut was playing great before the all-star break when the Bucks were playing a slower paced game. Now the Bucks offense has picked up their pace and shifted back to letting Mo Williams and Redd do whatever they want. I know they had a bad record before they made the change but I think that had more to do with Williams/Redd not giving 100% because they weren't supposed to shoot every chance they got.
Bogut has stated that when his rookie deal is up he would sign for less money to play for a team that has a chance of winning. I think by that time we will be in a better postion to do that than the Bucks. They have large deals of Redd/Williams/Simmons/Gadz so I don't see them improving unless they dismantle the team. At that point they would be rebuilding just like we were this season. Also there were reports of him being disrespected by Williams in a team meeting.



I like this rotation.. Foye/Jefferson/Bogut getting most the shots with McCants/Gomes coming off the bench for more scoring.
Telfair/Foye
Foye/McCants
Brewer/Jaric
Jefferson/Gomes*
Bogut/Jefferson/Richard

*Or Smith, but I would rather keep Gomes. I don't agree with this but, we could also let Telfair walk and resign Smith and Gomes to give us a bigger line up with Foye/Jaric running the point and Gomes playing sf. But Telfair should be brought back unless we draft Rose.

Another option would be to let both Gomes/Smith walk and sign Diop. A frontcourt of Jefferson/Bogut/Diop would be great. Al would not have to play center at all.

EDIT- For some reason I thought this thread was about just trading the pick in general not just if it was the #1 pick.. I would not trade the 1st pick for Bogut unless we also got a future pick from the Bucks too. Or a 1st for a 2nd swap.

[4ho5ive]

First of all, I apologize bruce, maybe I came off like an a$$. But I hardly think I went below the belt. But I dont see how any of this is possible. M.Williams is worth more to the NJ franchise than he is any other team in the league right now. He hasnt proved he can take hold of that team and be a leader and after being able to learn from one of the greatest, I would hope he would make better decisions.

I dont see anyone trading away a lottery pick for M.Will and the #24. This to me is ridiculous. SWAT has the potential to be nothing better than a role player to me. His offense his terrible, he has no J to bring out the opposing Center and he has relatively little post footwork. He is a shot blocker/rebounder who can be a very good role player. None of them is worth the #1 pick. I wouldnt trade the #4 pick for that package.

My problem with your thinking is that IF NJ sucks it up and ends up with a terrible record/pick AND someone wants this young PG and Pick AND Dirk or someone else suffers some sort of injury or other problem THEN MAYBE we MIGHT be able to get this deal going POSSIBLY.

Is this an acceptable post?

[jdub114]

If yall dont get the first pick, Mayo is playing really good lately.

[the_bruce]

My problem with your thinking is that IF NJ sucks it up and ends up with a terrible record/pick AND someone wants this young PG and Pick AND Dirk or someone else suffers some sort of injury or other problem THEN MAYBE we MIGHT be able to get this deal going POSSIBLY.

Is this an acceptable post?

Shrug all of the extra ancillary ifs were just conditionals of the value the offer holds at close to max value as the #16 + #24 + Williamses is a no imo.

The NJ doing sucky part and landing in the lotto isn't hat big of an If imo. I'm assuming at draft time that pick will be around #10.

The Ifs regarding dallas were just conditionals based on the current value of the offer, I didn't include these as conditionals in the moving the pick up or down I just used it as a base asset of the trade and expressed how it may be possible that it could be more or less valued at draft time(depending on the conditions).

Including M williams + pick portion wasnt even that in depth, but teams move around and do side deals for cash on trade day for a few spots. Its really not that big of a jump once beasly + rose are gone to assume that an extra first plus some other ancillary benefits could jump a few spots.

In terms of talent S. Williams is very talented. His jump shot and offensive game are teachable, he doesn't even need to be great. He needs to have solid defense, grab boards, dunk easy buckets and block shots and he already has all that. He's a good fit for MN, and has plenty of room to grow basketball wise.

M. Williams I could care less about, I think he sux.

Anyway on the "concievable end":

I wouldn't do #10 + Williams for #1
Nor the bulls idea
Nor the Bogut idea

Theres just nothing spectacular out the center wise that MN could get in the league.

In fact if MN had the #4 I probably still dont do these sorts of deals. Theres no pressure to "get it right" and extract max value from a team wanting a shot at a superstar. Beasly/Rose force you to pick them imo regardless of what your team currently has. If you get the #3 its easy to say oh duh I'll just take Mayo, lopez, etc.

[the_bruce]

First of all, I apologize bruce, maybe I came off like an a$$.

oh its all good

[the_bruce]

What about something along the lines of:

#1 + McCants for #7(clips) + Thornton + future 1st back

Thornton is a more prototypical SF and MN can just take best available 5.

Hibbert\Thabeet
Al
Thornton
Brewer
Foye

Still probably better to just get a 5 through FA imo, but something different.

[revprodeji]

Thornton is a limited prospect. I am just not a fan of him.

McCants>>>Thornton
Our pick>>>LAC pick.

No reason to do that trade.

[gjn19]

if we have #1, we take beasly, it's as easy as that. no possible trade will change that.

while i like thornton alot (and rev, i don't think mccants will ever be better than thronton), beasley is so much ahead of anybody available at #7, that i don't like this at all.

[delux55]

^^^ he is already better than thornton and has just as much if not more potential right now.

[4ho5ive]

Thorton is so-so. Just dont let Clipper fans hear you bad mouthing him as they are all sipping that Thorton kool-aid and rightfully so they are Clipper fans. I like McCants more than I like Thorton. Thorton is a solid role player, McCants is a dynamic scorer, he just needs to realize his full potential.

Let me also say that I finally realized what bruceallen's was saying. I think what you were saying was trading away the #8 (via NJ or whoever) the #24 (via whoever) and M.Will to move up to #4. That is entirely possible, but what I thought you were saying was to just move the #24 and M.Will to move up to #4, which is probably never gonna happen.

Also, I would rather go out there and watch our guys give it their all to win and end up with the 5-7 pick, than pull off the tank job Boston did last year and end up with the #4. Beasley does nothing for me, I just dont see how he makes us better.

[the_bruce]

To me Thornton has a slightly higher high end than McCants, but McCants may be slightly better now(but only by a slight margin). Thornton would actually be a slightly better fit with our roster imo and he averaged 17/6 last month once LAC started giving him solid minutes. McCants is far to small to play serious minutes at the 3 and Thorntons size\athletic ability make him more or less the prototypical 3. Which lets MN shift Brewer to the 2 and draft a 5. Thorntons contract is also cheaper for a bit longer than McCants as McCants will be due an extension 2 years sooner. Which grants MN rebuilding cheaper for a longer period of time. Also sent the future first back to MN, but with all the picks coming back to MN in the next few years I dont see as much value in getting it back.

I still don't do this deal as beasly and rose look to good to pass up.

[PowerBull]

Some other poster already mentioned it but would u guys consider:
pick
for
Deng/Noah

[deeney0]

Yeah, I'm sure they would listen to that offer from the Bulls.

[ab40]

Draft Michael Beasley with it and in the seccond round draft Joey Dorsey. Trade Walker his expiring contract for an expierienced PG and keep on building towards the future. Not as a starting pg but a sixth man of sorts who knows what to do when the pressure is on. If this all happens minnesota after the 08-09 season in the 09-10 season back in the playoffs. Or they go east and ah well we all know the east sucks