Trade Memphis-Miami-Minnesota

[cpfsf]

The M Plan

Miami: Beasley
Miami: Lowry + Mayo + return first round pick

Minnesota: Mayo + Walker + Heat's first round pick
Minnesota: Miller + Lopez

Memphis: Lowry + Lopez + Miller
Memphis: Beasley + Walker

I want to see what Wolves fans think about this

[TheProdigy]

Heat: Beasley
Heat: Lowry + Mayo + return first round pick + #31 pick

Wolves: Mayo + #31 draft pick + Walker + Heat's first round pick
Wolves: Miller + Lopez

Grizzlies: Lowry + Lopez + Miller
Grizzlies: Beasley + Walker

Why wouldn't MN just draft Lopez if that's who they wanted? There's no way we'd trade the 31st pick, future 1st, and Walker's expiring for Miller. Sorry but this is a horrible trade.

[younggunsmn]

EWWWWWWW. I'm assuming you're a grizz fan if you think they can move up to 2 for just kyle lowry and mike miller. To do that deal I'd want rudy gay, and I know that aint happening. So we trade down, give up an expiring deal, and lose 2 additional picks in the process.

[cpfsf]

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Why wouldn't MN just draft Lopez if that's who they wanted? There's no way we'd trade the 31st pick, future 1st, and Walker's expiring for Miller. Sorry but this is a horrible trade.

I thought about this when I created this thread. If we draft Lopez and Memphis drafts Mayo, what is stopping the Grizzlies from trading directly to the Heat? A little bonus is we save money by trading down while landing quality players.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Yea I hate this trade at every angle.

Especially when I hate giving Miami their pick back to MOVE UP to #2...not moving down to #5.

Id like Mike Miller...but that

[big3_8_19_21]

absolutely an abomination

[4ho5ive]

This is just ugly. We lose Walker's expiring, a future first, a VERY high 2nd and they guy I want most in this draft, just so we can trade for someone we could have picked in the first place and a one dimensional SG who im not sure but I thought had a bad contract.

[cpfsf]

This is just ugly. We lose Walker's expiring, a future first, a VERY high 2nd and they guy I want most in this draft, just so we can trade for someone we could have picked in the first place and a one dimensional SG who im not sure but I thought had a bad contract.

We are paying Walker 9 million to eat at Old Country Buffet. There is a guy we can get who deserves that kind of salary instead of simply throwing out 9 million bucks.

Anyway this would be our lineup next year...

Foye Telfair Jaric
Miller McCants
Brewer Gomes Snyder
Jefferson Richard
Lopez Smith (#34)

Buckner and Madsen will probably play about 5 games

Reasons for the trade
*We are paying Walker about 9 million dollars to sit on the bench and complain.
*Mike Miller actually will go on the court and deserve that salary.
*Gomes can play SF instead of just being a undersized PF.
*Jefferson can play his natural PF.
*They fill their most important needs with a big and a great scorer.
*Everyone plays their natural position.
*We are no longer an undersized team
*Save cash by trading down.

[shrink]

The win-now Heat would be more interested in Mike Miller than the Wolves. He would not be part of the futre of the Wolves, so except for a trade chip, he has little value for us.

We may save $1 mil by trading down, but swapping Walker for Miller means adding $10 mil

[ChazzleDazzle]

I'd be more interested in something like:

Walker, #3, Smith and filler
for
Lowry, Milicic, #5

Do the McCants deal (whatever that turns out to be) separately.

Even if we only resign Gomes, that'd give us the freedom to pick Mayo if he drops, Lopez if he drops, Gallinari if neither drops, and either a big (R.Lopez or Hibbert), or someone like Bill Walker (if we already drafted B. Lopez at #5) with whatever we can get for the second rounders and McCants.

I'd be pretty happy with either:

Foye/Lowry
Mayo/Brewer
Gomes/Jaric
Jefferson/Madsen
Milicic/Hibbert

OR

Foye/Lowry
Brewer/Jaric
Gomes/Gallinari
Jefferson/Madsen
Milicic/R.Lopez

OR

Foye/Lowry
Brewer/Bill Walker
Gomes/Jaric
Jefferson/Madsen
B.Lopez/Milicic

No?

Chaz

[cpfsf]

The win-now Heat would be more interested in Mike Miller than the Wolves. He would not be part of the futre of the Wolves, so except for a trade chip, he has little value for us.

We may save $1 mil by trading down, but swapping Walker for Miller means adding $10 mil

I think the only way the Heat can trade for Miller is if they add Blount to the mix (plus a sign and trade). Memphis would not want to replace Miller with Blount because Blount is not an expiring contract while Walker is.

But I disagree with the Miller having no part of the Wolves future. He just turned 28. That is not that old (heck Ryan Gomes will be 26 is September).

I agree we will spend more money on Miller (about 10 million) but with Walker, he gets 10 million this year for doing nothing. Walker can not contribute anything with the 10 million dollars he is being paid. With Miller you actually get someone to help the team. He is not a bad locker room presence either. The fact he represented team USA shows he is no useless player. He would be a perfect fit for the team.

I believe the 2 biggest problems were players who were out of position (such as Ryan Gomes playing PF, Smith and Jefferson playing C) and perimeter shooting. Lopez and Jefferson would be a good 1-2 punch. Jefferson could play his PF position. Remember the difference it made when Stoudemire stopped playing C and played PF? We probably won't see the same difference of course, but there will be an improvement. Furthermore, Ryan Gomes can play SF or come off the bench because we will be loaded with talent. Plus Mike Miller is a great perimeter scorer, it would be a huge mistake to double team Big Al in the paint when Mike Miller is behind the 3 point line.

[big3_8_19_21]

Walker is EXPIRING. Yeah, he's not doing anything, but we traded for his short contract, not for his on the court performance, we aren't looking to spend big money on players a little too old for our purposes. Yeah, Gomes will be 26, but he's the oldest of the pups, he's more like the exception than the rule. The age gap is big enough where I wouldn't want his salary on a rebuilding team. Don't get me wrong, Mike Miller is a good player and he will be terrific for the right team if he's traded, but we just aren't that team. No reason to trade our financial flexibility (forget Walker, think of him as financial flexibility) for a player who is older than our target age range. I know he would make us a better team next season, but we're looking for improvement on last season, yes, but even more for major improvement the season after next and the years following.

[4ho5ive]

^^^^Exactly

[cpfsf]

Walker is EXPIRING. Yeah, he's not doing anything, but we traded for his short contract, not for his on the court performance, we aren't looking to spend big money on players a little too old for our purposes. Yeah, Gomes will be 26, but he's the oldest of the pups, he's more like the exception than the rule. The age gap is big enough where I wouldn't want his salary on a rebuilding team. Don't get me wrong, Mike Miller is a good player and he will be terrific for the right team if he's traded, but we just aren't that team. No reason to trade our financial flexibility (forget Walker, think of him as financial flexibility) for a player who is older than our target age range. I know he would make us a better team next season, but we're looking for improvement on last season, yes, but even more for major improvement the season after next and the years following.

The point I am making is we are throwing $9 million out the door for nothing. We would have one of the best guards in the NBA. That would be perfect trade bait in the future should we decide to trade him. His value would skyrocket because he would have the primary role of being the perimeter scorer because he would have such a huge role. Furthermore, Miami is not dumb they won't simply give us a lotto pick next year. They will either make the playoffs or tank the season to keep the pick. If you don't believe me, consider the fact we do the same thing to LAC every single year (Mark Madsen shooting 3's).

[cpfsf]

I removed #31 because people thought we were giving up too much.

This gives us the opportunity to trade McCants and our second round picks for a first round draft pick. If we get lucky, we then can draft another big. Maybe another Florida player such as Speights...now if we can just get Horford and Noah :) Brooks brother Robin is a possibility (I doubt either would want to leave Minny as long as the two can stay together). Who knows, maybe even Koufos and Hibbert will be available.

[delux55]

Not one of those players you mentioned is worth giving mccants alone up if you ask me all are career back ups

[cpfsf]

Not one of those players you mentioned is worth giving mccants alone up if you ask me all are career back ups

The McCants trade idea is not part of my original plan but I think we should consider moving up in the draft just because we would have enough players to play SG, but lets assume McCants will stay for now.

Anyway here is one thing that is pretty clear, Portland is going to be talented for a lonnnnng time. This is the only way we can even compete considering they beat us 4 times last year.

Foye V Blake
Miller V Roy
Brewer V Webster
Jefferson V Aldridge
BLopez V Oden

[younggunsmn]

Exactly. Wolves shouldn't be adding anyone over 26. Also miller plays no defense. Darko had such a bad year he could probably be had for an expiring alone. No one other than Rudy Gay (and possibly COnley) would be better than any of our current rotation players. Memphis owes a pick to washington. 28 pick is worthless when we already have 31 & 34. I don't see them willing to give up gay to move up, which is about the only asset they have I'd personally be willing to move down for. Quality over quantity, that's how champions are built.