Miller to Portland?

[Calinks]

A throw in isn't expected to be a major contributer to your team. Miller will be a major force on the wolves over the next few seasons.

[Tirion]

Yeah, he will be a major force on the Wolves, no doubt. But will the Wolves be a major force on the West with him as their 2nd weapon?

[delux55]

Outlaws a nice little prospect but you yourself said all he can do is score. He doesnt bring much else to the table so get off his nuts. If miller if just a throw in and a pile like you describe him why the hell you want him so much. Your argument is filled with flaws.

[deeney0]

That's the definition of a throw-in. Point is that trade was never about Miller, it was about Mayo and Love.

Nah, it was Mayo for Miller and Love. A guy like Collins is a throw in.

[SaintofKillers]

You just describe Marko

Porking Adriana Lima doesn't count as athleticism or an inside game.

[Tirion]

Outlaws a nice little prospect but you yourself said all he can do is score. He doesnt bring much else to the table so get off his nuts. If miller if just a throw in and a pile like you describe him why the hell you want him so much. Your argument is filled with flaws.

You're new to this board, are you?
Also, please, highlight some of that "flaws" with that shining wisdom of yours.

It's true that all Outlaw can do now is score, but he's VERY good at it and last season he showed glimpses of being unstoppable on offense. If (and it's a huge "if") he adds a driving game to that sweet jumper of his and starts drawing fouls, he actually will be unstoppable. He also posesses some great defensive tools, he just doesn't use them. Of course there is a fat chance that he'll be a career underachiever (see Miles, Darius or Odom, Lamar), but it's a risk worth taking imo.

Miller is >> then Outlaw right now, but, face it, he's just an asset for the Wolves. Three years from now, when Big Al will be entering his prime, he'll be in his 30s and nothing more than a good role-player (and that's the best-case scenario). Also there is another risk with Miller, that he will bring some wins, not enough to take this ballclub into playoffs, but enough to screw up their next draft pick.

[deeney0]

Wolves are going to go all out for wins the next couple of years, Miller or not. Tanking philosophy figures in no where. I'd rather have 40 wins and the 12th pick than 33 wins and the 8th pick right now, anyway.

[Devilzsidewalk]

You just describe Marko

Porking Adriana Lima doesn't count as athleticism or an inside game.

she can still practice with him and help out with his all around game - fronting him in the post, diving for loose balls, etc

[john2jer]

You just describe Marko

Porking Adriana Lima doesn't count as athleticism or an inside game.

It's probably the only game he gets up for.

I stand corrected on the Jaric vs Milic. That answers so many questions I had running through my head, but reveals an even bigger one...

HOW IN THE WORLD DID JARIC GET LIMA, THEN!?!?!? I figured it had to be the car thing. Now I don't have a clue.

[shrink]

It's true that all Outlaw can do now is score, but he's VERY good at it and last season he showed glimpses of being unstoppable on offense. If (and it's a huge "if") he adds a driving game to that sweet jumper of his and starts drawing fouls, he actually will be unstoppable. He also posesses some great defensive tools, he just doesn't use them. Of course there is a fat chance that he'll be a career underachiever (see Miles, Darius or Odom, Lamar), but it's a risk worth taking imo.

We already have McCants.

[Tirion]

Outlaw >>> McCants in terms of size, position value, athletism and clutchness.

Anyway as I said it's not a realistic trade, but not because "no one from the Blazers besides their big three can fetch Miller". Actually Miller already was offered for Outlaw and 13th pick by the Grizzlies and the Blazers declined.

In 2007-2008 season, Travis, often referred to by fans as "wo wo wam wam wam," based on his name and his impressive leaping ability, or "Starkville Sniper," for his hometown, showed marked improvement and earned multiple 6th man of the year votes from General Managers around the league. In the summer of 2008, he was reportedly inquired about by the Memphis Grizzlies, who wanted Outlaw and the Blazers' draft pick in exchange for Mike Miller. The Blazers declined the offer, as reported by Blazers broadcaster Brian Wheeler on his radio show.

[shrink]

It's true that all Outlaw can do now is score, but he's VERY good at it and last season he showed glimpses of being unstoppable on offense. If (and it's a huge "if") he adds a driving game to that sweet jumper of his and starts drawing fouls, he actually will be unstoppable. He also posesses some great defensive tools, he just doesn't use them. Of course there is a fat chance that he'll be a career underachiever (see Miles, Darius or Odom, Lamar), but it's a risk worth taking imo.

We already have McCants.

I'm not comparing values (though I certainly don't think Outlaw >>> McCants), I'm saying that your big case for Outlaw could all be said about McCants.

1. All he can do is score, but he's VERY good at it? Check
2. Sweet Jumper? Check
3. Needs to draw more fouls? Check
4. Defensive tools but doesn't use them? Check
5. Fat chance he'll be a career underachiever? Check

I think if you're seeing a ">>>" difference between the two, and you didn't mention anything in your initial post that doesn't apply to McCants as well, some of that difference has to come from a "grass is always greener" way of looking at things.

[Tirion]

Have you seen them play? Or just seen them? I think you can't see real players behind arguments, so to speak. McCants is an undersized SG, he can be contained due to his size, therefore he has phisical limitations, therefore his ceiling is lower. That's why scouts drool over taller, quicker players who can shoot, cause they are very hard to contain.
This is the reason why I'm so enamoured with Outlaw, very rarely you can see a player this tall and athletically gifted, but who also posesses elite scoring potential and can create his own offense. Most of the players of his kind and stature are shotblockers, rebounders and dunkers with a limited offfensive game (like tyrus thomas or hakeem warrick). Outlaw already can creat his own shot like a guard and his shooting mechanics are very good too.

[wolves_fan_82au]

Wolves are going to go all out for wins the next couple of years, Miller or not. Tanking philosophy figures in no where. I'd rather have 40 wins and the 12th pick than 33 wins and the 8th pick right now, anyway.

12th means pick goes to the clippers

doesnt matter anyway we have 3 possibe others

[PDXKnight]

Being that Portland already refused to send Outlaw to Memphis for Miller a couple of months ago, I don't see it very likely that they'd make such a deal now. Furthermore, I doubt KP would want to part with anything of much value for Portland which would obviously make this deal a no-go for the T-wolves. It's an interesting idea, but all in all, it seems highly unlikely that a deal involving Miller can be struck between Portland and Minnesota.

[shrink]

Being that Portland already refused to send Outlaw to Memphis for Miller a couple of months ago, I don't see it very likely that they'd make such a deal now.

This is the second time I've seen a POR fan omit the fact that the rumored deal was Outlaw plus POR's Lottery 1st.