I may be wrong but (About McCants)

Post #1 » by **Calinks** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:53 am

I really don't think he was chucking just to be chucking tonight. I think Witt gave him the green light to score. I mean, knowing Wittman, if a player just started doing that for no reason he would get pulled in a heart beat. I think Wittman told him take a shot if he has one and that's what Shad did. Witt put the game in Shad and Foye's hands from an offensive standpoint. I don't think he was being as one-dimensionally as selfish many of you are painting him.

Zeitgeister · Post #2 » by **Zeitgeister** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:26 am

Even if he was given the green light to shoot, that doesn't literally mean shoot the moment you get the ball which sometimes seemed to be the case with him tonight. Taking a long 3 point shot at the buzzer when you only need 1 point to win is not smart basketball.

If i'm not mistaken, there was another play where we were up by several points and he shot a 3 as soon as he got the ball even though there was plenty of time on the clock. McCants needs to be smart enough to realize that he shouldn't shoot in those situations, either that or he needs to fix his selfish attitude.

hijacktheparade · Post #3 » by **hijacktheparade** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:50 am

Zeitgeister wrote:Even if he was given the green light to shoot, that doesn't literally mean shoot the moment you get the ball which sometimes seemed to be the case with him tonight. Taking a long 3 point shot at the buzzer when you only need 1 point to win is not smart basketball.

If i'm not mistaken, there was another play where we were up by several points and he shot a 3 as soon as he got the ball even though there was plenty of time on the clock. McCants needs to be smart enough to realize that he shouldn't shoot in those situations, either that or he needs to fix his selfish attitude.

And it was towards the end of regulation when some time needed to be used up. It's clear that he's going to fling up whatever difficult shot comes his way, so putting him in at moments like that jeopardizes the game.

TMo519 · Post #4 » by **TMo519** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 3:35 pm

You put in McCants when you need to score. But when you're up 9 late in the fourth, GET THE DEFENDERS IN (aka Brewer).

Of course, if that last second three by McCants would have gone in, at least it could have been a form of redemption. But alas.....

delux55 · Post #5 » by **delux55** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 3:46 pm

He couldnt help that the play was designed to go inside to al jefferson but that got defensed up so they had to find an open man he happened to be that guy. If anything blame Wittman for not having a back up plan, we were lucky to get any shot off there.

TMo519 · Post #6 » by **TMo519** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 3:52 pm

I don't blame McCants at all for that last shot, except for the fact that he missed it. It was a wide open look that he can easily make. That's why he was so mad he missed it, cause really, he should have made that shot.

cmc32124 · Post #7 » by **cmc32124** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:03 pm

I agree with Calinks, also a lot of you are saying you should have pulled McCants and put in Brewer...... Seriously? Brewer couldnt play Stephen Jackson, Jackson was lighting him up most of the night, and i thought McCants D on Jackson was way better than anyone else who guarded him that night(telfair, foye, brewer). So i think the right decision was made in that reguard.

The thing that i thought went wrong is the lineup, you dont play 11 players in a game much less a quarter. We need to do a 2 for 1 trade and free up some space at the wing. we have too many 2's(Foye, McCants, Brewer, Carney).

Vega06 · Post #8 » by **Vega06** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:30 pm

cmc32124 wrote:I agree with Calinks, also a lot of you are saying you should have pulled McCants and put in Brewer...... Seriously? Brewer couldnt play Stephen Jackson, Jackson was lighting him up most of the night, and i thought McCants D on Jackson was way better than anyone else who guarded him that night(telfair, foye, brewer). So i think the right decision was made in that reguard.

The thing that i thought went wrong is the lineup, you dont play 11 players in a game much less a quarter. We need to do a 2 for 1 trade and free up some space at the wing. we have too many 2's(Foye, McCants, Brewer, Carney).

Brewer only played the first quarter and barley played in the 2nd half. Maybe i was watching a different game but i remember Jackson shooting at will over Rashad.

4ho5ive · Post #9 » by **4ho5ive** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:16 pm

Jackson was knocking down shots no matter who was on him. I would rather the faster, scrappier Brew in there in the last 7 minutes of the game when we didnt NEED points, we needed STOPS. Also Love-Machine needed to be in there.

As for McCants, once again i think KG and Dwayne Casey did wonders for the boy. He has been nothing but a chucker since then. I've been calling for a Jefferson/Love-Foye Pick-and-Roll for a while now, at least a screen to get Foye an open lane. Each time he drove he either had an easy look or found an open man on the wing. Let the boy attack.

D1SGRUNTL3D · Post #10 » by **D1SGRUNTL3D** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:27 pm

You act like this is the first time McCants shoots everytime he gets it.

He's done it all year, I doubt he's been given the green light from Twitt that every time he touches it, it must be thrown up, and probably missed.

Post #11 » by **Calinks** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:52 pm

I wanted Brew in there too but another reason why Shad may have been in was because we were trying to bust the zone. Now we didn't get much penetration, or we never went inside to do that but I think the game plan was probably to have Foye, and Shad penetrate or take the open looks on the perimeter. If we had Love in there, we could have tried to play down low, when the defense would collapse, Love could dish it out to Foye, Miller, McCants, or next door to Al if he was open. I really think that would have been a win with Love in there grabbing rebounds and hustling.

LordBaldric · Post #12 » by **LordBaldric** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:49 pm

Here's my feeling on McCants right now:

Can not play with him.
Can not win with him.
Can not coach with him.
Can't do it.

TMo519 · Post #13 » by **TMo519** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:27 pm

18 minutes isn't really enough time to get rolled up, but I'll be honest, I missed most of the time Brew was in the game cause it wasn't very long. But I do remember McCants being out of position on defense at a few crucial moments, and him shooting quick shots when running the clock a little bit would have helped. Another benefit of Brewer is you know a quick shot isn't going up when the ball rolls to him the majority of the time.

4ho5ive · Post #14 » by **4ho5ive** » Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:47 pm

LordBaldric wrote:Here's my feeling on McCants right now:

Can not play with him.
Can not win with him.
Can not coach with him.
Can't do it.

Please dont pull your pants down.

Post #15 » by **revprodeji** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:59 am

McCants needs to be on the spurs. He needs vet leaders around him who will not take his mood swings. Also, he needs a team that is actually tryin to win. Trade him to boston or something. On a young team where is a leader and he knows his teammates could care less about winning; he will not be valuable.

deeney0 · Post #16 » by **deeney0** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:01 pm

Not only is he not valuable, he's detrimental. Emphasis on mental.

LordBaldric · Post #17 » by **LordBaldric** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:17 pm

McCants seems like the chief one that doesn't care about winning to me. It's not like he's the only guy on the team to come from a winning college program. All I see is an extremely selfish player looking to jack up his shot, come hell or high water. We were in great position to win the other night, and he, along with Wittman, pretty much torpedoed that effort. Those 2 need to be the first out the door if this is going to get turned around.

shrink · Post #18 » by **shrink** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:19 pm

deeney0 wrote:Not only is he not valuable, he's detrimental. Emphasis on mental.

LOL. McCants is frustrating to me, because I feel like the talent is in there. We can't get much for him in trade, but if we dealt him, he'd blow up in a new situation. Personally I've kept my mouth shut on the coaching until today because you guys know x's-and-o's a lot better than I do. However, I think economically the best way to get value out of McCants is to find a new coach. I'm concerned that in a new situation, McCants could blow up. Let's make that new situation in Minnesota.

We need to do this quickly too. We're only three months away from the NBA trade deadline. Next season McCants becomes a restricted free agent. Is he worth the qualifying offer of $3.64 mil? Do we match if, say, the Spurs offered him $4.5? We've had the guy on the team for over three years (a lot injured), and I still can't tell you what he's worth.

Post #19 » by **C.lupus** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:52 pm

shrink wrote:We've had the guy on the team for over three years (a lot injured), and I still can't tell you what he's worth.

That in itself says a lot about his value.

Shaddy is playing like he's born to be hated. He needs to play like he is dying to be loved.