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[casey]

We get an added benefit here that while it makes us a bigger player in 2009, it simultaneously removes POR. One POR fan wanted to do it just to pay MEM back for messing up their 2009 Free Agent plans!

The way I see it Portland would have about the same amount of cap space in 2009 without this deal as in 2010 with this deal. So I'm not really sure what the incentive is for them.

[dunkonu21]

On the Kopenen comment. We already have a guy who is wasting their talents in McCants we don't need another one.

[southern wolf]

Was that Outlaw trade idea posted before or after he went off for 33 and 7? They might of had a slight change of heart.

[C.lupus]

I'd probably do any of these. I think I would prefer getting Outlaw but the Webster deal wouldn't be bad. We could start next season with Webster and Williams plus our first round picks. Not bad.

[Winter Wonder]

I love the Miller/Cardinal/Smith for Outlaw/(Frye or Diogu)/LaFrentz/1st deal. Smith just doesn't belong on a team that has both Love and Jefferson. Portland could probably get better use out of him. I really like the idea of Outlaw in a Wolves uni

This was the deal I remember from the trade board that I liked the best (though was it Webster? and was the pick definitely in there? There were a good number of variations). I too believe we are best off cashing in Miller's value and moving Smith due to team make up. This gives us a back up young big that can also play some spot center minutes.

But as Biff said,

Don't like helping Portland, but trade seems to make sense for both teams if MN is actually planning on shopping in the 2009 FA market..

Hate the idea of helping Portland, not that I don't like the team or fans, just that I see them as the biggest future competition, but this deal would be about perfect for us in many of its forms.

This is the current trade I have seen with MN that is of the most interest to me and gives us the best value for the pieces being traded, sorry CLE deal.

[john2jer]

As I stated on the trade forum, I'm definitely in favor of a Miller/Cardinal for Raef, Frye, and 1st deal.

Not only does Raef expire, leaving us with tons of 2009 room, but his contract is paid by insurance, so it would save Taylor a boatload of cash, which he's most interested in, and might convince him to spend more later.

[WallyWorld]

We get an added benefit here that while it makes us a bigger player in 2009, it simultaneously removes POR. One POR fan wanted to do it just to pay MEM back for messing up their 2009 Free Agent plans!

The way I see it Portland would have about the same amount of cap space in 2009 without this deal as in 2010 with this deal. So I'm not really sure what the incentive is for them.

I agree with you here. I think some of us are overvaluing Mike Miller in a cost cutting deal. It is going to be extremely difficult for us to free up more money in 2009 without trading some of our picks and other assets (which I am DEFINATELY in support of). We can kiss the idea of getting a first bck from Portland!

[shrink]

I agree with you here. I think some of us are overvaluing Mike Miller in a cost cutting deal. It is going to be extremely difficult for us to free up more money in 2009 without trading some of our picks and other assets (which I am DEFINATELY in support of). We can kiss the idea of getting a first bck from Portland!

There are a few nay-sayers on Miller because of his recent production, but the general consensus of posters from other teams is that Miller's dip in production so far on the wolves is just a temporary thing. Mike's put up good numbers consistently ever since he started in the league, and the ankles and the youth on the team are blamed more than some permanent downturn in a 28 year old player.

The "normal" Miller is good at a lot of things, but extremely good at a few things that would help some contenders the most. More importantly, Miller gets a lot of value because of his two-year deal. Very few teams are concerned about 2009 cap space, and many are looking at 2010, so his 2-year deal isn't worse than an expiring .. better actually because they feel he's worth more to them than his contract. Mike Miller is one of the most-mentioned commodities because he gives teams like this two better shots at the playoffs in 2009 and 2010, and on top of that he's also a benefit for 2010 cap space plans.

In the past week, besides the typical CLE offer, I've seen offers from TOR, DAL, and POR, and they all include a pick. I don't think his reduced play this season has hurt his trade value as much as we might think.