MIL MN CHI

[the_bruce]

MIL IN: Foye, Cards, Madsen, Bassy, #18 from MN
MN IN: Jefferson Kirk, #15 from mil
CHI IN: Gomes, Smith

Al
Love
RJ
Miller/Brewer
Kirk

This trade works once Gomes or Smiths BYC status expires. I'm to lazy to look up when that actually happens.

CHI: Get 2 young prospects on very reasonable and Flexible contracts.

MIL: Gets out of RJ's contract and get a young prospect in Foye. Also get some expiring contracts.

MN: retains Miller and drat picks. 4 out of their 5 starters capable of dropping 30 on any given night. Defensively fixes some of the problems on the wing with Kirk & RJ. could still retain enough capspace to be serious player in 2010 FA. I'd retain brown. Brewer can backup the 2/3 as defensive stopper with both miller & RJ.

Griffin if they land #1.
Rubio if they land #2.
Thabeet if he is available from 3-7.
Harden if he is available from 3-7.
Mullens if none of those 4 are on board.

With the bucks pick they take Evans or Derozan.

Al\Love
Love\Griffin
RJ\Derozan
Miller\Brewer
Kirk\Brown

Wolves could also potentially run the crazy frontcourt lineup of...

Al\Love\Griffin

Offensively Love will be the 3, al the 5, Griffin the 4. On D Griffin would guard the 3's, Love guards the 4's, and Big Al defends the 5's. Griffin should be capable of guarding 3's at the next level due to his BBIQ and athleticism.

My dream piece is a hybrid 4\3 for the wolves. An AK47 type player. Or a younger version like Anthony Randolph. Griffin could fill that sort of role long term if he opens up his perimeter game, which I think he is capable of doing.

Outside of the getting the #1 pick. Most draft scenarios work well with the above trade. If the wolves get Thabeet they get a big defensive presence who would work well with both Love\Al in a 3 man rotation. If they draft wings with both picks they end up with players that can develop over the next few years behind the vet core of RJ\Miller\Kirk. In each of the next 3 years they have large expirings they could package with young talent for an upgrade at a position. Miller first, then RJ the next year, Then Kirk. they won't have crazy capspace, but more predicatable parts to aquire the parts they need long term in each of the next 3 years.

[PeeDee]

I have always been opposed to most trades that have had RJ coming in, but I really like this one. Upgrade in talent, doesn't sacrifice the youth movement, defense improves, I like it.

I'm not sure CHI would do it though.

[karch34]

If they draft wings with both picks they end up with players that can develop over the next few years behind the vet core of RJ\Miller\Kirk. In each of the next 3 years they have large expirings they could package with young talent for an upgrade at a position. Miller first, then RJ the next year, Then Kirk. they won't have crazy capspace, but more predicatable parts to aquire the parts they need long term in each of the next 3 years.

I think this was a very good point in the decent size expirings every year and the ability to groom a few players from this draft especially, behind what is currently there.

I would think if Milwaukee really wants to move Jefferson than we could conceivably package the Utah and Boston pick for theirs rather than the Miami pick (then we have three in the top 18) I do like a lot of this trade as we add some veteran help, the contracts aren't ideal, but they're not killers, and we are still being able to bring in the young pieces in the draft. There are some tweaks I'd like better, but all in all I'm intrigued.

[B Calrissian]

That is overpaying for Jefferson. The Bucks will probably trade him for peanuts this summer to try to free up some money to resign CV. He is not worth Foye. Plus Jefferson choked a guy in Mpls so he has that combined with being washed up going against him.
Miller/#18 for Jefferson/#15 has been brought up on the trade board. That would be better.

If overpaid wings is the theme why not go after Kirilenko? The Jazz will need to free up more money if they want to resign Milsap and Boozer. Kirilenko would be a perfect fit.

I do like the Gomes/Smith for Hinrich deal tho.

[prefuse73]

Like each part of the deal. Foye has been very inconsistent and frankly, I am okay with off loading him in the right deal. I would rather turn him into a true (younger) SG but Jeffeson works. With Brewer coming back, I love the Gomes/Smith for Hinrich deal. To really make room for the development of Brewer, Gomes will need to be shipped IMO. Getting a true PG in Hinrich is ideal. Shrink will probably say our cap is washed out, but I think we would be a strong team going forward.

I hope Aldrich comes out this year as he will be available at our pick and that is who I would go after. Tyreke Evans would be the ideal pick at #15...Derozan would be decent as well, but he has a long ways to go (see Gerald Green). Hopefully Jared Jordan is still available at Boston's pick

Aldrich / Jefferson / Jordan
Jefferson / Love
Brewer / Miller / Carney
R.Jefferson / Miller / Evans
Hinrich / Evans / Brown

That is a wicked defensive starting lineup. Love and Miller would be a great bench tandem (each would still get close to 30mpg.

[Winter Wonder]

If it were RJ from a four-ish years ago I would like it. As of now, not so much. Paying too much for RJ, coupled with bringing in Hinrich; just not a fan of the cost, especially loosing Foye. Moving back or up a few spots in the draft in the mid teens doesn't make up for it.

I have no problem with the idea of using or cap space and expirings for a talent upgrade to become our core for the upcoming few years, but these (RJ especially) are not the players I would want for giving up the cap space and trading the assets we do. Have to be a great deal to convince me to say yes to an RJ trade.

As for Kirilenko, love him as a player, hate the fit here. He is more of a power small forward and not a great outside shooter. Floor spacing gets much worse with him at SF. Maybe if we hadn't aquired K Love and kept Mayo, but bringing in AK47 almost gives us 3 of our best players at the PF spot. He has played mainly SF, but I have seen anumber of Jazz posters indicate AK plays best at the 4.

[B Calrissian]

You hate the fit of Kirilenko? Who would be a better fit with Al/Love?
No one wants the Wolves to trade for guys like Dalembert because he gets paid too much to be the third big. AK would be able to start at SF and also be the third big.

Kirilenko10
Love24/Kirilenko24
Jefferson36/Love12

[Devilzsidewalk]

too much long term money for a couple of decent players. On the mark as far as fit, but that's just too much cash for players like that

[shrink]

I've been opposed to using expirings for Hinrich, and I think that RJeff will be sold cheaper by MIL as finances tighted on the bucks.

[Krapinsky]

Doesn't MIL have to trade Jefferson to a team under the cap? If the only reason to trade him is to resign Session and Villanueva, bringing back one year contracts is not going to help them.

[the_bruce]

Doesn't MIL have to trade Jefferson to a team under the cap? If the only reason to trade him is to resign Session and Villanueva, bringing back one year contracts is not going to help them.

I was thinking they could send Redd to DAL for stack + x. Foye + Sessions backcourt. Bring back CV + sessions with a portion of the stack money.

Bogut
CV
Moute\Alexander
Foye
Sessions

That lineup is no worse than what they ran most of this year. Considering how many injuries they've had.

[the_bruce]

I would think if Milwaukee really wants to move Jefferson than we could conceivably package the Utah and Boston pick for theirs rather than the Miami pick (then we have three in the top 18) I do like a lot of this trade as we add some veteran help, the contracts aren't ideal, but they're not killers, and we are still being able to bring in the young pieces in the draft. There are some tweaks I'd like better, but all in all I'm intrigued.

The Utah pick + the Bos pick may be more ideal for the bucks due to less salary, and the possible deferment of the utah pick.

[the_bruce]

2009 50m ---> 55m (+5m)
2010 32m ---> 44.5m (+12.5m)

So next year MN fields a lineup of...
Al\Love\RJ\Miller\Kirk
...for 5m more

The year after they field a lineup of...
Al\Love\RJ\xxx\Kirk
...for 12m more

Plus RJ can be a huge 15m expiring or opt out that year giving the wolves 15m more cap space. Plus whatever picks we end up having. Assume 4 this year.

Maybe in 2010 RJ opts out. Wolves still have a solid core of Al\Love\xxx\xxx\Kirk. Plus tradeable assets. This years pick, MIA pick, BOS Pick, Utah pick to fill in the remainder of the spots.

Maybe RJ doesn't opt out. Wolves have a huge expiring and can probably package 2 solid parts in a s&t for a player they want, or disgruntled all star vet.

It's not all about cap space. As it stands now MN will not have cap space to make a splash this offseason. In 2010 there will be plenty of FA's and lots of money to be spent by 1/2 the teams. There will be several teams able to extract some value much like the wolves did with the carney deal last year. Every available big name FA would opt to go somewhere else, and who cares about the 2nd teir guys. MN can develop those sorts of players over the next 2 years.

I don't see the cost argument being valid in this instance as MN certainly fields a team that is certainly worth 5m more next year. Will kirk + RJ bring +12m of basketball enjoyment the following year? I think so.

Most of you look at RJ negatively. He certainly could be a 20\4\4 guy on the wolves and bring solid defense to the 3 spot. I think its 50/50 on whether he'd eto, but he certainly could andhat would actually decrease MN's cap in 2 years(assuming they'd keep gomes on his reasonable deal).