Paul to Dallas... WTF?

Post #21 » by **Worm Guts** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:49 pm

4ho5ive wrote:Peja? No thanks.

If it means getting Paul, of course we would. It would be ridiculous not to.

Post #22 » by **Calinks** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:08 pm

Christopher Paul is a ridiculously gifted PG. This is the type of player that comes along maybe once A DECADE. NO would be horribly foolish to give him up for financial reasons. If the wolves had a chance to get him they would have to take it. Paul and Al Jefferson alone would give you a great squad. A great PG or a grea Center can completely turn a team around. A healthy CP3 and Al Jefferson would get us a lot more than 5 additional wins. Hell, just a healthy Al all season would probably bring us 5 more wins. You throw Paul in there and you certainly have a borderline playoff team. He's that good. He has it all, defense, vision, scoring ability, clutch factor, leadership. He's what Marbury could have been if he had his head together.

4ho5ive · Post #23 » by **4ho5ive** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:11 pm

Obviously. But if it meant getting only Chandler or Peja/Pete no thanks.

Carpe Diem · Post #24 » by **Carpe Diem** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:33 pm

Good Lord........if there is a chance in hell to get Chris Paul and junk for expiring contracts you do it in a second. If it takes some combo of our multiple #1's or that big Euro or Foye then you ask them which ones do you want and then you sign off on it.

I'd love to hear from someone who disagrees and most importantly why.......

Post #25 » by **Worm Guts** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:36 pm

Really, you give up anything to get Chris Paul. Jefferson, Love, draft picks, expirings

skorff26 · Post #26 » by **skorff26** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:57 pm

If they do trade Paul, they would want to dump Peja and probably MoPete or maybe Posey instead. I think that they would want a young stud back as well (maybe Love or our 1st), a bunch of expirings, and to get them out of the luxury tax next year.

I think if we had a trade of MM to Cleveland or somewhere where we could get a player with an unguaranteed contract such as Pavlovic (to help them get of the luxury tax); we could send them our 1st rounder and they can draft a new PG, we could then send them some of our expirings (maybe if we had cap space take back Butler for nothing as well)

Expirings (MM, Cards, Madsen) + 1st rounder (ours and Boston's) + Gomes (replace Peja) + ? (I would include Love; but maybe something like rights to Pekovic and future Utah 1st would work) for Paul, Posey, Peja, Butler (if we could use our cap space)
-send MM, Maden, Cards to Cle for B. wallace + Pavs

NO gets expirings of Wallace, Gomes, immediate cap relief by waiving Pavlovic, 2 1st rounders, ? and they take back a lot less salary as well for immediate salary relief.

skorff26 · Post #27 » by **skorff26** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:02 pm

Worm Guts wrote:Really, you give up anything to get Chris Paul. Jefferson, Love, draft picks, expirings

I would trade anything that we have for Paul including if we won the lottery the #1 overall pick.

I wouldn't do something like expirings + Jefferson + 1st rounder for Paul + Peja

-but everything would have to be in play for a player like Paul.

Carpe Diem · Post #28 » by **Carpe Diem** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:07 am

AL has a hefty contract thus including him in this type of deal contradicts the purpose. So yeah, whatever they want. Love/our first 09 #1/expirings for Paul/Chandler/whatever other bad contract would be a highly competitive offer if they decide that they have to go down this route.

shrink · Post #29 » by **shrink** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:14 am

mnWI wrote:Shrink would probably rather have capspace :lol:

LOL! I'm cheap, but I'm not THAT cheap!

The way I see it, the NBA economy is rapidly making our liquidity into our greatest trade asset. The Tyson Chandler near-trade demonstrates the value teams can get if they are willing to take on these larger NBA contracts. Teams love their stars, but if they keep losing money, they can't stay in business, and trading even a superstar like Chris Paul, if it moved financial anchors, is a possibility, just like amputating an arm to keep a critical patient from bleeding to death.

MIN is in a really good spot this off-season. They have expirings, youth, and picks, and those are the things that are going to draw the most interest from a financially constrained team. Yeah, I love the moves of the last two years to hoard some financial power, but its for a purpose -- the more you get, the more likely you can turn it into major talent. I hope the the MIN front office considers these "swing-for-the-fences" type offers, because these types of assets have real value.

4ho5ive · Post #30 » by **4ho5ive** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:42 am

Wait, so all this time there was a method behind the madness for you Shrink? You crazy bastard.

Iommi · Post #31 » by **Iommi** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:42 am

I'd personally pay Peja's contract if it meant we got CP3 in Minny. In a semi related note, I can't imagine an NBA player that would be less interesting to meet than Peja Stojakavic. "So... You're pretty good at 3's, huh?"

Post #32 » by **Worm Guts** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:59 am

skorff26 wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:Really, you give up anything to get Chris Paul. Jefferson, Love, draft picks, expirings

I would trade anything that we have for Paul including if we won the lottery the #1 overall pick.

I wouldn't do something like expirings + Jefferson + 1st rounder for Paul + Peja

-but everything would have to be in play for a player like Paul.

I would. I'd give basically everything to get Paul, just leave me with either Jefferson or Love. I'd do Love+expirings+our pick, Miami pick, Utah pick or Jefferson+expirings+our pick+Bos pick.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #33 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:24 pm

I'd pay whatever they want for Chris Paul

Post #34 » by **Worm Guts** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:33 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:I'd pay whatever they want for Chris Paul

I sort of agree, but Chris Paul doesn't do a whole lot of good if we have no other good players, draft picks, or cap room. We need to have at least one other thing to work with.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #35 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:53 pm

I'd rather have 1 great player then a handful of good players though

Post #36 » by **Worm Guts** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:56 pm

Obviously, but still, one player doesn't win you a championship.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #37 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:14 pm

but 1 great player and a good supporting cast can potentially win you a championship, a bunch of good players never does. Especially ones that don't play defense. So to me, I'd rather start with the great player and try to find some good players rather than start with some good players and try to find a superstar.

Post #38 » by **Worm Guts** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:22 pm

It's difficult to find good players when you don't have any cap room, draft picks, or trade assets. I really think you need to keep 1 thing, whether it's Love, Jefferson, or our pick. There has to be some hope for finding that 2nd tier player, otherwise it's going to be the KG situation all over again.

I guess I still would consider the trade if they asked for all 3, it's just that it becomes questionable at that point.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #39 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:43 pm

I think 2nd tier guys are easy enough to find, 2nd tier guys teams will trade, but superstars you have to draft. So come to think of it, I'm just post padding even talking about it because Nawlins would never ever trade Paul for lesser players.

deeney0 · Post #40 » by **deeney0** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:51 pm

Worm Guts wrote:Obviously, but still, one player doesn't win you a championship.

idk, LeBron looks poised to say otherwise this year.