MIL - MIN

[shrink]

I'm not sure if I posted something like this before, but since it received absolutely no response on the MIL board, positive or negative, I thought I'd run it by here.

MIL GETS: Gomes + Craig Smith + Madsen + Bobby Brown + UTA pick + $2.2 mil TPE

MIN GETS: Ridnour + Joe Alexander + Elson + Malik Allen + #10

FOR MIL: This deal opens up cap space so they can re-sign Sessions. It removes the $2.1 cap hold, and with the TPE, creates $4.3 mil more 2009 cap space. Smith would be a better fit on the Bucks, and maybe gomes too. Most Bucks fans want Ridnour gone for Sessions to run the team, and while a few cling to hope, Joe Alexander was named the biggest bust of the lottery in an article last week. Malik Allen does nothing, though Elson is a decent cheap back-up. All these players have expiring deals, as do the ones they are taking on (basically), and it doesn't affect their starters.

FOR MIN: We exchange expiring bench players and Taylor kicks in some cash, and we get a prospect (Alexander) and a pick (#10). These other guys actually fit our position needs a bit better. I'm assuming we combine the pick to move up. Best of all, this deal has no affect on my sacred 2010 cap space, unless we keep Alexander or the pick.


Math

6,500,000 Ridnour
2,583,360 Alexander
1,700,000 Elson
1,300,000 Malik Allen
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12,083,360

(12,083,360 - 100,000)/1.25 = 9,586,688 = minimum MIL can take back

Now if that's the package, what MIN pieces would get you closest to $9.6 without (maximizing the TPE), and have value for you. The pieces I think that might help:

TPE (Glen Taylor eats extra 2009 millions)
UTA future protected first (top 15-17 protected) --- no cap hold this year, but retains value
$2.30 Craig Smith - cheap, expiring, and probably productive with Bogut behind him
$4.01 Ryan Gomes - cheap, with buy-outs.
$2.82 Madsen (expiring)
$0.74 Bobby Brown (expiring)

What I'm going for here is to create value because cap space is more valuable to you, than cash is to Glen Taylor. I'm trying to avoid starters, and not create any longterm financial scars or roster size issues for either team.

[IcemanMN]

Giving us four (4) first round draft picks. Hmmm. I would do it if you can show me the next trade, with the Wizards for the Rubio pick. I don't know that I really want any of the Bucks players on that list. Are the Bucks ready to give up on Alexander so soon? If so, why would we want him? Just asking.

Edit: Doh! You traded the Utah pick.

[Foye]

I don't like Alexander, I don't like the 10. pick in this years draft, Ridnour is not worth the money, so I'll have to decline.

[john2jer]

Still gives us 4 picks this year, but the 28th pick could be used on Omri Casspi and leave him over in Europe.

EDIT: Wolves pay 2.5mil to exchange next year's 20th pick for this years 10th, and pick up Joe Alexander who might be a bust, but he's a cheap low risk player. I don't know how the Wolves could say no to this.

[Foye]

Still gives us 4 picks this year, but the 28th pick could be used on Omri Casspi and leave him over in Europe.

EDIT: Wolves pay 2.5mil to exchange next year's 20th pick for this years 10th, and pick up Joe Alexander who might be a bust, but he's a cheap low risk player. I don't know how the Wolves could say no to this.

Gomes is still the best player in the deal and next years 20th pick may be not much worse than this years 10th pick. We don't have room for 6 players (we have 2 more 2nd round picks). If we want to have a second lottery pick we should try to trade up with the miami/boston pick. Just my opinion...

[john2jer]

If this year's 10th pick is worse than next year's 20th, how in the heck can you assume 2 2nd rounders from this year would have a chance of making our roster? That doesn't really add up.

[cpfsf]

Milwaukee is watching us and would rather trade Redd and Jefferson...together

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=902081

Exact deal

Milwaukee Incoming
Smith, Gomes, Madsen, Miller, Cardinal

Minnesota Incoming
Redd, Jefferson

pass

[Foye]

If this year's 10th pick is worse than next year's 20th, how in the heck can you assume 2 2nd rounders from this year would have a chance of making our roster? That doesn't really add up.

Read it again, I said next years 20. pick will probably not be much worse than this years 10. pick.
I would consider the players who are probably available in this years draft at #10 as solid roleplayers - not much more. I doubt anyone of them will be a star, so there is not much difference between this years #10 and #20 next year in a probably deeper draft.
Still, I would not say that this years second round picks have no chance of making the roster. There can always be a sleeper who develops into a solid roleplayer. And seriously, how can any player you pick in the draft be worse than Mark Madsen? Most likely the 2nd round picks will be sold or stay overseas, though.

[john2jer]

Which is exactly what I said. So I'm trying to figure out who you say no to a trade based on the value of a pick and then claim adding that 1st round pick hurts the chances of us holding on to a 2nd round pick in a weak draft.

Maybe it's just me that's confused on that one. I drink a lot, so possibly.

[Steve_Holiday]

I like the idea of going after prospects and picks but...I don't really consider Joe Alexander to be a "prospect." I think I'd rather have a recovering Corey Brewer.

[Foye]

Which is exactly what I said. So I'm trying to figure out who you say no to a trade based on the value of a pick and then claim adding that 1st round pick hurts the chances of us holding on to a 2nd round pick in a weak draft.

Maybe it's just me that's confused on that one. I drink a lot, so possibly.

Ok, I'll try another explanation

IMO Gomes, Smith, Brown, #20 next year >>> Ridnour, Alexander, Allen, #10

I just don't get the point of adding another draft pick in a weak draft. Trade the Miami pick up and I'll agree but I do not see why we should put ourselves into position to draft 6 players this offseason in a weak draft. Did not want to claim that our 2nd round picks will not make the roster, they'll probably not even be around anymore in the league in 5 years, so there is no reason to claim but they should have a chance of making the roster. I mind only about a few players in this draft Griffin, Rubio, Thabeet, Harden, DeRozan, Evans. None of them will even be around at #10.

[skorff26]

Sign me up, I like it; and we could always package the picks and try to move up (or trade a 1st this year for a 1st next year)

[wolves_fan_82au]

if they wanna rebuild yeh,but why try alexander??? and the 10??

[wolves_fan_82au]

if they wanna rebuild yeh,but why try alexander??? and the 10??

[shrink]

The goal is to not lose Sessions, and hopefully not CV. The #10 in this draft isn't a great prospect, but better than Joe Alexander. MIL's owner will not, and never has, gone over the lux.

And I understand concern about having too many picks for roster space issues, but even in the trade, I did say :

I'm assuming we combine the pick to move up.

[Winter Wonder]

Would be hard pressed to jump on board. Ridnour is an ok at best starter (though possibly an upgrade in MN), but I am more inclined to think both Gomes and probably Smith are better/more valuable players and the loss of them as assets is not worth the pick change and Joe Alexander. Not a bad idea, and I like picks, maybe without the late MN pick included, but otherwise, not very enticing. If it were Cardinal instead somewhere, then I would be more inclined to get on board.