NJN - MIN Trade.

[tlifeset]

First of all, there's nobody the T'wolves should consider drafting except Brandon Jennings with their top 10 pick. He's absolutely 100% perfect for the team and they should consider even trading up for him.

Secondly, there's no reason to trade the #18 pick and, more importantly, there's no reason to even consider using the #18 pick because it was lottery protected this year, top 10 protected next year then unprotected the year after that ... i.e. the year after Dwayne Wade leaves Miami to play for another team. They should operate like they don't even have that pick this year.

Lastly, just because some offers a deal it doesn't mean it has to work. Craig Smith is a good hard worker off the bench. He's also a good guy and makes the others work hard in practice. I don't see one player on the Nets that matches up with his salary that makes sense. Dooling just had surgery and Josh Boone is basically Mark Madsen. I have to admit I have a soft spot for CDR, but he hasn't really proven he can play at this level ... at least not like Smith has.

My advice ... find a third team with a decent PG (maybe Memphis-Mike Conley) and see if you can figure out a 3-way.

[Basti]

Secondly, there's no reason to trade the #18 pick and, more importantly, there's no reason to even consider using the #18 pick because it was lottery protected this year, top 10 protected next year then unprotected the year after that ... i.e. the year after Dwayne Wade leaves Miami to play for another team. They should operate like they don't even have that pick this year.

huh? are you saying that we should not use that pick simply by the fact that it's not good enough for us and we gotta wait until it gets better??

[theGreatRC]

Secondly, there's no reason to trade the #18 pick and, more importantly, there's no reason to even consider using the #18 pick because it was lottery protected this year, top 10 protected next year then unprotected the year after that ... i.e. the year after Dwayne Wade leaves Miami to play for another team. They should operate like they don't even have that pick this year.

huh? are you saying that we should not use that pick simply by the fact that it's not good enough for us and we gotta wait until it gets better??

Can we do that?

[Basti]

Secondly, there's no reason to trade the #18 pick and, more importantly, there's no reason to even consider using the #18 pick because it was lottery protected this year, top 10 protected next year then unprotected the year after that ... i.e. the year after Dwayne Wade leaves Miami to play for another team. They should operate like they don't even have that pick this year.

huh? are you saying that we should not use that pick simply by the fact that it's not good enough for us and we gotta wait until it gets better??

Can we do that?

I doubt it. it might happen if it was agreed upon but which GM not named Isiah Thomas would do that?

[shrink]

Secondly, there's no reason to trade the #18 pick and, more importantly, there's no reason to even consider using the #18 pick because it was lottery protected this year, top 10 protected next year then unprotected the year after that ... i.e. the year after Dwayne Wade leaves Miami to play for another team. They should operate like they don't even have that pick this year.

huh? are you saying that we should not use that pick simply by the fact that it's not good enough for us and we gotta wait until it gets better??

Can we do that?

That's actually an amazing idea, but it would mean doing another trade.

Suppose MIN is thinking "We're rebuilding, we're swamped with picks, and I really wish this pick was defered" and MIA is thinking, "we signed Jermaine O'Neal, and if we had that pick, we could use it in a trade to help win now."

Would MIA trade to get their pick back, and offer something like the previous protections? Maybe something not quite as good, but trading for a future pick in a better draft might be something a win-later MIN would want to explore?

[john2jer]

Brandon Jennings is garbage.

And you can't just refuse to use a pick you traded for in hopes of getting their pick next year. You'd have to make a trade in which the other team agrees to those terms.

If we can just throw out stupid ideas that don't actually work, we should trade Telfair for LeBron James and Brandon Roy.

[deeney0]

If we can just throw out stupid ideas that don't actually work

Welcome to RealGM. Make yourself at home.

[john2jer]

I'll take some chips and salsa please.

[Krapinsky]

Brandon Jennings is garbage.

And you can't just refuse to use a pick you traded for in hopes of getting their pick next year. You'd have to make a trade in which the other team agrees to those terms.

If we can just throw out stupid ideas that don't actually work, we should trade Telfair for LeBron James and Brandon Roy.

Draftexpress had a nice writeup on Jennings yesterday and made a strong case for why it's unfair to judge him on his european numbers. You should take a look.

http://www.draftexpress.com/blog/Jonath ... y-11--3211

[john2jer]

European numbers definitely have some say in it, but not everything. It's just his overall attitude, lack of defense, poor shooting, and his tendacy to go for the SportsCenter pass when a good fundamental pass would get the job done. He's all style, no substance. The quote about him macking a selfless stat selfish sums up what he's about. Plus he's a midget. Wolves need height in the backcourt.

He might not be garbage, but he's not what the Wolves need. Small running point guards aren't going to work when your top player is a half court post player who doesn't run. Not to mention, our defense is poor enough as it is, mostly due to our perimeter defense and lack of size.

[Krapinsky]

European numbers definitely have some say in it, but not everything. It's just his overall attitude, lack of defense, poor shooting, and his tendacy to go for the SportsCenter pass when a good fundamental pass would get the job done. He's all style, no substance. The quote about him macking a selfless stat selfish sums up what he's about. Plus he's a midget. Wolves need height in the backcourt.

He might not be garbage, but he's not what the Wolves need. Small running point guards aren't going to work when your top player is a half court post player who doesn't run. Not to mention, our defense is poor enough as it is, mostly due to our perimeter defense and lack of size.

Tony Parker says go grab your shine box.

[deeney0]

Wolves have to take the most talented non-post player, and the DX writeup on Jennings makes a lot of good points. I'm convince, I think he belongs in the discussion. Harden, Evans, DeRozan, Lawson, Jennings, Henderson. Those are the six post-Rubio names.

[Esohny]

I agree with the concept. I would put Jennings ahead of everyone on that 6-man list except for Harden, and maybe equal with DeRozan. Lawson, I think he'd be more appropriate late lottery, but either way he'll probably not last to 18...I'd actually prefer Holliday at 18 if we don't go point guard with our first pick.

[john2jer]

Parker plays defense, and I see him as more of a half-court quick PG than a fast break runner. Yeah he can get out and run, but his speed/quickness seems to come more from give and go's and breaking guys down off the dribble once the offense has set-up. Plus, he can shoot at least mid-range.

Parker takes 95% of his shots from inside the arc, Jennings is taking 63% from inside the arc. Parker does a much better job of getting to the basket and FINISHING.

Plus Parker's actually a little bigger, and isn't playing next to a midget SG. He's lining up in the backcourt with Michael Finley, Bruce Bowen, Manu Ginobili, and Roger Mason who are all 6'5" and taller.

[Krapinsky]

Parker takes 95% of his shots from inside the arc, Jennings is taking 63% from inside the arc. Parker does a much better job of getting to the basket and FINISHING.

I think this is basically the difference between what European basketball aloows you to do vs. the NBA.

Two more things to also consider--

1. Two quality NBA players are also sucking it up over there -- See Pargo, Childress

2. DX makes it sound like he's basically playing out of position as a SG.

I'm not sold on him by any means, but I think the DX article shines some perspective on all the cynism that is surrounding him. At 5, I'd still rather have one of the SGs, but if we were 7 or 8 - which is not really possible unless Stern pulls a NJ/NY/PHX lotto on us -- then I think he should be in the discussion.

[john2jer]

Jennings can be in the discussion as long as we have the 5th pick, and Jennings is listed 6th. I think he's the worst of the top prospects for the Wolves to consider. Not saying he won't be successful elsewhere, I just think he's probably the guy who needs a team built around him the most, and we don't have even close to that kind of team. He's not a Derrick Rose, Allen Iverson, LeBron James type of prospect where it justifies revamping our whole team for him.