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[john2jer]

Derrick Rose plays for the Bulls. The Bulls play in Chicago. Chicago is an Eastern Conference team. Don't think Mayo has to worry about him unless either moves teams, or the NBA mixes up the divisions.

[the_bruce]

Derrick Rose plays for the Bulls. The Bulls play in Chicago. Chicago is an Eastern Conference team. Don't think Mayo has to worry about him unless either moves teams, or the NBA mixes up the divisions.

mind slippage

[Esohny]

Like I said, Gordon and Westbrook are close, Manu is better even with injuries, and they don't have 9 guard spots on the all-star team anyway.

[john2jer]

Derrick Rose plays for the Bulls. The Bulls play in Chicago. Chicago is an Eastern Conference team. Don't think Mayo has to worry about him unless either moves teams, or the NBA mixes up the divisions.

mind slippage

It's old age. Happens to the best of us. I know of some excellent nursing homes that can take care of you.

[Worm Guts]

Like I said, Gordon and Westbrook are close, Manu is better even with injuries, and they don't have 9 guard spots on the all-star team anyway.

Manu averaged something like 15 ppg this year. I think Mayo's probably good enough to sneak into an all-star game or two in his career (Even Wally made one), but that wasn't my point. My point was there was alot of players on rev's list who Mayo could be better than, at least by all-star criteria.

[revprodeji]

I was just pointing out that it is hardly a lock for mayo to be an all star. if he was to put those numbers up on a winning team than perhaps but I do not see it.

[Devilzsidewalk]

Especially since Evans will be in front of him each and every year

[john2jer]

Truth on Evans.

If Jefferson can't make it to the all-star game with the monster numbers he put up last year, Mayo's going to need to start playing some winning basketball to get in on the garbage he puts up.

[Esohny]

Like I said, Gordon and Westbrook are close, Manu is better even with injuries, and they don't have 9 guard spots on the all-star team anyway.

Manu averaged something like 15 ppg this year. I think Mayo's probably good enough to sneak into an all-star game or two in his career (Even Wally made one), but that wasn't my point. My point was there was alot of players on rev's list who Mayo could be better than, at least by all-star criteria.

I understand your point, I just don't agree with it. Not a huge deal.

[Devilzsidewalk]

one thing Mayo has going for him is that he seems to be generally perceived as being about 20% better than he is. People don't take into account that he was a freshman by title only, not by age, and that he had basically the exact same rookie season at the exact same age as Jerry Stackhouse. Stack got into a couple all star games with his ability to put up piles of points, but he was no perennial all star all nba guy by any means. And Stack also had every bit of pedigree as Mayo, maybe more.

[mandurugo]

one thing Mayo has going for him is that he seems to be generally perceived as being about 20% better than he is. People don't take into account that he was a freshman by title only, not by age, and that he had basically the exact same rookie season at the exact same age as Jerry Stackhouse. Stack got into a couple all star games with his ability to put up piles of points, but he was no perennial all star all nba guy by any means. And Stack also had every bit of pedigree as Mayo, maybe more.

I think the first year you play professional basketball you are a rookie, it doesn't matter what age you are. It is a different game then anywhere else. There have been plenty of players in the history of the league who were older than him as rookies. Besides, Stackhouse was a really good player despite not being a perennial all star, most teams would be happy to have a shooting guard as good as him. The trade is done. Mayo is better than Love. Let's move on.

[4ho5ive]

one thing Mayo has going for him is that he seems to be generally perceived as being about 20% better than he is. People don't take into account that he was a freshman by title only, not by age, and that he had basically the exact same rookie season at the exact same age as Jerry Stackhouse. Stack got into a couple all star games with his ability to put up piles of points, but he was no perennial all star all nba guy by any means. And Stack also had every bit of pedigree as Mayo, maybe more.

This. Mayo will get into all star games off of hype alone. All he has to do is put up some big time 30+ point efforts and everyone will forget about any 2-15 shooting games he has.

The trade is done. Mayo is better than Love. Let's move on.

No, not right now, not in the future. No.

[Devilzsidewalk]

one thing Mayo has going for him is that he seems to be generally perceived as being about 20% better than he is. People don't take into account that he was a freshman by title only, not by age, and that he had basically the exact same rookie season at the exact same age as Jerry Stackhouse. Stack got into a couple all star games with his ability to put up piles of points, but he was no perennial all star all nba guy by any means. And Stack also had every bit of pedigree as Mayo, maybe more.

I think the first year you play professional basketball you are a rookie, it doesn't matter what age you are. It is a different game then anywhere else. There have been plenty of players in the history of the league who were older than him as rookies. Besides, Stackhouse was a really good player despite not being a perennial all star, most teams would be happy to have a shooting guard as good as him. The trade is done. Mayo is better than Love. Let's move on.

So some 28 year old rookie from Europe should get as much credit as a 19 year old? No. And a 21 year old rookie shouldn't get as much credit as a 19 year old either.

[shrink]

Mayo will get into all star games off of hype alone. All he has to do is put up some big time 30+ point efforts and everyone will forget about any 2-15 shooting games he has.

The trade is done. Mayo is better than Love. Let's move on.

:lol: No, not right now, not in the future. No.

This is a good point, but he doesn't have the longterm name-recognition that gets a lot of players the fan votes to make an all star game (Ray Allen). Worse for Mayo is that there are several fantastic young guards coming up (Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Brandon Roy) who will be difficult for him to compete with. Finally, OJ Mayo plays in Memphis, so if he puts up 20-5-5, he won't get the same recognition that Roy would. I suspect Chris Paul will be on a bigger market team soon.

[john2jer]

Paul, Roy, Williams, and Parker are young and better all-star options than Mayo.

If OJ Mayo makes it into an all-star game before Deron Williams, I'll maim someone.

Keep in mind, Kevin Durant just put up a fantastic sophomore year at 20 years old.
25.3 pts
6.5 rebs
2.8 asts
1.3 stls
47.6 FG%
42.2 3pt%
86.3 FT%
39 mpg

He didn't make it into the all-star game. He was listed as a guard on the ballot and wasn't even in the top 11 in voting.

[Worm Guts]

Paul, Roy, Williams, and Parker are young and better all-star options than Mayo.

If OJ Mayo makes it into an all-star game before Deron Williams, I'll maim someone.

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That's true, but people get hurt and Mayo is capable of putting up a 22-23 ppg season. Under the right circumstances he could get one or two, I'd doubt he's a perennial all-star though.

[john2jer]

No he's not a perennial all-star. And I'm not saying he won't EVER be an all-star. Friggin Wally, Cassel, and Magloire have all-star appearances. Ridiculous.

But I stand by what I said. If Mayo makes it before Williams, I'll maim someone.

[Danimals]

Telfair, Smith, and Madsen for Hinrich. I am not a capologist of any kind, so I'm not sure this works.

[Esohny]

I couldn't find one quickly, but you might check out one of the Hinrich to MN threads created on this board, the Chicago board, and the Trade Board. They're all full of information as well as frustration.

I'm pretty sure I saw a trade just like that suggested several times, and a couple of really vocal chicago posters claim that Hinrich is so awesome that he'd never be had for just expirings.