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Post#41 » by john2jer » Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:24 pm

klomp44 wrote:
revprodeji wrote:I know some do not think the value is there. but what prospect (other than Rubio) has the best p/r potential?


IMO DeRozan is up there. Look at how guys like Vince Carter and Tracy McGrady have been marketed over the years. DeRozan I think will be much the same way.


I love it. :-)

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revprodeji wrote:
DeRozan is more on the Carney side than the T-Mac/Carter side.



I'd say more Richard Jefferson or Jason Richardson


Agreed

revprodeji wrote:klomp...

p/r is pick-n-roll not public relations.

DeRozan is more on the Carney side than the T-Mac/Carter side.

j2j, what is it like to have a pg run the p/r when you know that pg cannot shoot? What is it like when a guard that cannot shoot passes the ball into the post? Evans is below Rubio/Harden/Curry/Holiday for us. (* hope)


I wouldn't say Evans can't shoot, he just obviously needs work in that area. Tyreke Evans is already strong enough and fast enough to get around guys on his own, set the screen below the shoulder and it forces the defender to go over the top of the screen, which gives Evans a clear lane to the basket. That clear lane forces help defenders, especially the screener's, meaning Evans will be finding open rolls or backdoor cutters all day. Tyreke Evans plays best with the ball in his hands, yes, but he's definitely shown the ability and desire to make the easy pass for the basket. He's not selfish.

Evans has the ability to make his own offense. Curry doesn't, in my opinion. Curry's offense will come from p/r, spotting up after dumping the ball inside, or from running off screens. All good things, sure, but we need someone who can create their own offense, especially in the fourth quarter/crunch time.

Also, as far as dumping the ball into the post, that most likely is into Al Jefferson. Big Al's not really known for the ability, or interest, in kicking it back out.

Offense also is only half the game. I trust Tyreke Evans a heck of a lot more on defense than Curry.

My board is Evans, Harden, and Holiday. Those three change slots for me depending on the day, though. :-)

Rubio's not an option, so I won't even consider that. Curry's only an option if he's available at a second draft pick, be it #18(unlikely), or if we trade up. In my opinion, of course.

Thinking more about this, in regards to point guards who struggle shooting, but can get to the rack, and them running the pick and roll. That's actually my point guard. As long they have a willingness to pass to an open teammate, have the ability to get to the cup, and screens are set properly, you're fine. You make adjustments so that the drive is going in the direction of guys who can shoot, so their defender is forced to help. Meaning if you want a high screen, and Love sets it on the defender's low right shoulder, meaning a left handed drive, Mike Miller should be spotting up in the left corner for when his defender sinks in to stop the penetration. Pitch, shoot, score. Go back and play defense.
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Re: LOVE 

Post#42 » by revprodeji » Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:54 pm

jennings was an aau teammate of love. our euro scout has seen plenty of him I hear.

I just like pgs that can shoot.

curry can and does create offense.
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Post#43 » by john2jer » Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:59 pm

I love PGs who can shoot as well, but I also like them to be able to get to the basket and to be big strong defenders.

Curry would be a phenomenal point guard playing with someone like LeBron, Roy, Wade, or Kobe. We don't have a perimeter threat who other teams have to account for.

I can just see Curry getting abused if teams can lock in on him.
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Post#44 » by jpatrick » Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:17 pm

I'm torn on Curry. He's the best shooter in the draft and may have the nighest BBIQ as well. Can he create his own shot in the NBA? In college he was very very good at creating space for his shot but so was Adam Morrison, so I'm just not sure.

He's not the worlds' best athlete but neither is Nash; however, Nash has an incredible handle and is very clever with the ball. I'm not sure Curry is as good with the ball. And watching Nash play at Santa Clara he had that handle and shot back then (and looked like a true PG), but it still took him a few years to learn how to use those skills against NBA athletes.

I think the best comparison for Curry is Mike Bibby; a great shooter with high BBIQ who isn't the worlds greatest athlete and will struggle some defensivesly. I think Curry is more of a sure thing but may not have the upside of some of the other boom or bust type players (Holiday, Derozan, etc.).
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Re: LOVE 

Post#45 » by invno1 » Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:08 am

Timberwolves dont have a perimeter threat to go along with him right now, but maybe this is the position where a superstar is inserted....Problem the Timberwolves have is they dont wanna invest years developing talent that wont or cant get it. Seems they are going to take players that are ready now or who can get ready quickly. Who ever that is.

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