Timberwolves Salary Thread

younggunsmn · Post #1 » by **younggunsmn** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:16 pm

All number from storytellers site.

2009 Salary:
Al Jefferson 12,000,000
Etan Thomas 7,906,088
Brian Cardinal 6,750,000
Darius Songaila 4,526,000
Ryan Gomes 4,017,500
Kevin Love 3,401,040
Corey Brewer 2,916,120
Mark Madsen 2,840,000
Sebastian Telfair 2,500,000
Craig Smith 2,300,000
Oleksiy Pecherov 1,547,640
Bobby Brown 736, 420
Jonny Flynn 2,969,280 (120% scale)
Wayne Ellington 1,003,560 (120% sclae)

Total: 55,413,648

Ricky Rubio 3,269,160 (120% scale)
Total w/Rubio 58,682,808

2010 Salary:
Al Jefferson 13,000,000
Darius Songalia 4,818,000 (early termintation option)
Corey Brewer 3,703,472
Kevin Love 3,638,280
Ricky Rubio 3,514,320
Jonny Flynn 3,192,000
Sebastian Telfair 2,700,000 (player option)
Wayne Ellington 1,078,800

Subtotal 35,644,872

Ryan Gomes 4,385,000
Total w/Gomes 40,029,872

Ryan Gomes (waived) 1,000,000 (1 mil guaranteed for 2010, 2011)
Total w/waived Gomes 36,644,872

Oleksiy Pecherov 2,380,270 (Team Option, highly unlikely it is excercised)

3 potential 1st rounders from 0 to 7-8 million in cap holds.

Post #2 » by **revprodeji** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:17 pm

Do we have roster holds for Pekovic or Henk? I think you might. I cannot remember.

btw, doubt Gomes is waived. Maybe moved, but a waive?

also, and this is the big thing. We are very, very likely to make a trade at the deadline. I have been told this numerous times. So our 2010 numbers will be very different.

shrink · Post #3 » by **shrink** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:52 am

Does anyone know how big Etan Thomas' trade kicker is?

tvwolves7 · Post #4 » by **tvwolves7** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:31 am

shrink wrote:Does anyone know how big Etan Thomas' trade kicker is?

15% trade kicker boosts Etan’s salary from $7.354 to $8.458 million

younggunsmn · Post #5 » by **younggunsmn** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:31 am

http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/r ... laries.htm

Thomas' trade kicker was already figured in by storytellers and split at the proper salary ratio between '08 and '09 cap years, so his figure is correct.

2nd round picks have no cap hold, so peckovic and norel have none.

gomes's salaries for '10 and '11 are guaranteed for 1 million for each year,
but become fully guaranteed if not waived before 6/30/2010.
right now it would be hard to imagine waiving him, but things change,
and numbers are included for purpose of maximum possible cap room.

draft picks almost always sign for 120% of scale, so I used those numbers.
scale numbers count until they're signed, but the difference is insignificant because our cap room is less than the MLE anyway. using scale figures would add about 1.2 million of cap room should we need to use direct cap room to make a trade or signing.

since rubio is currently under contract in europe, it is possible his cap hold does not currently count (as fran vasquez's doesn't count on orlando's cap). I am not certain of this however.

this would push our minimum cap number down to 54.7 million, which while not room enough to warrant a fa signing could convince a team in lux hell or pursuing a FA to give up an asset for taking on a small contract.

Anyways it might be nice to have a sticky so people with cap questions have something to look at that doesn't disappear quickly.

younggunsmn · Post #6 » by **younggunsmn** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:36 am

revprodeji wrote:Do we have roster holds for Pekovic or Henk? I think you might. I cannot remember.

btw, doubt Gomes is waived. Maybe moved, but a waive?

also, and this is the big thing. We are very, very likely to make a trade at the deadline. I have been told this numerous times. So our 2010 numbers will be very different.

Interesting, I assume "different" meaning less cap room (and a better player), since telfair and songaila are the only guys we'd "dump".

john2jer · Post #7 » by **john2jer** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:10 pm

No cap holds for Norel or Pekovic because they were 2nd round picks. There's no salary scale for 2nd round picks.

Biff Cooper · Post #8 » by **Biff Cooper** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:26 pm

2010 is still a long ways off, but I was expecting to have more cap space in 2010. Maybe I was hearing 15 mil prior to the Washington trade?

Currently if all options are picked up, we are at approx 41.1 mil + about 6 mil in cap holds is only about 8 mil under a cap estimated at 55 mil.

shrink · Post #9 » by **shrink** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:08 pm

I have this:

2010-11
Al Jefferson $13,000,000
Darius Songalia $4,818,000
Ryan Gomes $1,000,000 (buy out .. $4,385,000 otherwise)
Kevin Love $3,638,280
Corey Brewer $3,703,472
Telfair $2,700,000
Rubio $2,928,600
Telfair $2,660,000
Ellington $899,000
MIN 2010 picks $5,000,000?

$40,347,352

$55,000,000? salary cap in 2010

Krapinsky · Post #10 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:19 pm

shrink wrote:I have this:

2010-11
Al Jefferson $13,000,000
Darius Songalia $4,818,000
Ryan Gomes $1,000,000 (buy out .. $4,385,000 otherwise)
Kevin Love $3,638,280
Corey Brewer $3,703,472
Telfair $2,700,000
Rubio $2,928,600
Telfair $2,660,000
Ellington $899,000
MIN 2010 picks $5,000,000?

$40,347,352

$55,000,000? salary cap in 2010

Flynn?

Biff Cooper · Post #11 » by **Biff Cooper** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:28 pm

I assumed Gomes wouldn't be bought out, Pecherov would be extended (big ?), and 6 mil in cap holds to get ~8 mil under number.

I'm sure plenty will change over the next year, I just figured we'd be further under. 8 mil might be enought to bring Pekovic over, but that might not be the best use for the cap space.

john2jer · Post #12 » by **john2jer** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:33 pm

Why would we extend Pecherov? He's proven to be horrible.

Esohny · Post #13 » by **Esohny** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:39 pm

john2jer wrote:Why would we extend Pecherov? He's proven to be horrible.

It would be nice if they would just buy him out and free up a roster spot. Not that I'm holding my breath for that.

Biff Cooper · Post #14 » by **Biff Cooper** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:40 pm

john2jer wrote:Why would we extend Pecherov? He's proven to be horrible.

He's 7' tall - I said it was a big question that we'd pick up his option, but was willing to err on the conservative side as to figuring out our cap space for 2010 in case he flipped a switch for us.

No idea how to pronounce his first name though, so based on the already proven rule, you're probably right about him sucking.

shrink · Post #15 » by **shrink** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:37 pm

Biff Cooper wrote: No idea how to pronounce his first name though, so based on the already proven rule, you're probably right about him sucking.

LOL! I'm with you on that first name. I suggest we go by what they called him on the Wiz boards .. "OPech"

Post #16 » by **C.lupus** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:39 pm

If he's going to stay in Minnesota, we'll just call him Ole.

casey · Post #17 » by **casey** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:32 am

younggunsmn wrote:since rubio is currently under contract in europe, it is possible his cap hold does not currently count (as fran vasquez's doesn't count on orlando's cap). I am not certain of this however

It counts during the off-season, but not during the regular season.

younggunsmn · Post #18 » by **younggunsmn** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:45 am

casey wrote:
younggunsmn wrote:since rubio is currently under contract in europe, it is possible his cap hold does not currently count (as fran vasquez's doesn't count on orlando's cap). I am not certain of this however

It counts during the off-season, but not during the regular season.

thanks for the confirmation. his cap number would go off the books on the first day of the regular season and back on the books on july 1 of every subsequent year.
This effectively keeps the cap hold there for pursuing free agents and removes it for luxury tax purposes (tax is always calculated using salary numbers on the last day of the regular season.

this would put our cap number heading into free agency at about 57.4 million, including rookie cap holds at 100% scale.