MN/NO/LAC

[skorff26]

Trade scenario, I saw how much New Orleans was into the luxury tax and was wondering if we could pry Paul away.

Part 1:
New Orleans Out: Paul, Peja, Chandler
In: Thorton, Flynn, Cha 1st, Thomas, Cardinal, rights Pekovic, QRich, Madsen

Minnesota Out: Cha 1st, Pecherov, Thomas, Cardinal, Flynn, rights Rubio, rights Pekovic, Madsen
In: 1st returned from LAC, Paul, Collins, Chandler

LAC Out: Collins, Thorton, QRich, MN 1st returned
In: Peja, Rights Rubio, Pecherov

Part 2:
LAC trade TPE (from Randolph) for Antonio Daniels

Why New Orleans? They cut around 15 million salary for 2009-2010 and around 35 million in salary for 2010-2011; they also get 4 young assets in Flynn, Thorton, Cha 1st, and rights Pekovic.

Why MN? They get Paul, they also get Chandler who would complete their frontcourt
Depth
Paul/Telfair/Collins/Brown
Brewer/Ellington/Collins
Gomes/Brewer/Songalia
Jefferson/Love/Smith/Songalia
Chanlder/Jefferson

Why LAC? They supposedly really wanted Rubio, and now they get him while keeping their young studs in Griffin and Gordon.

[revprodeji]

No offense. but easily one of the worst trades I have ever read.

[Steve_Holiday]

I've heard rumors about the hornets' financial troubles, but haven't seen anything to indicate they are having a full-blown fire sale. Even if they were trying to shed salaries, trading away Chris Paul would kill their franchise value far more than it would save them $.

[Mcfale313]

no way...........wolves are in rebuilding mode, no way they do that deal to take on chandlers contract and Paul will for sure not signning extention with us, we are commited to Rubio and Flynn on PG

as for Hornets, they won't do this either, they basically gave up the whole team.........they have financial trouble then just sell it to another owner, noway they sell paul

as for LAC, way too good for them, end up with both griffin and rubio? plus they give up pretty much nothing to get rubio, no way

[Esohny]

no way...........wolves are in rebuilding mode, no way they do that deal to take on chandlers contract and Paul will for sure not signning extention with us, we are commited to Rubio and Flynn on PG

as for Hornets, they won't do this either, they basically gave up the whole team.........they have financial trouble then just sell it to another owner, noway they sell paul

as for LAC, way too good for them, end up with both griffin and rubio? plus they give up pretty much nothing to get rubio, no way

Not that I am defending this particular trade, but Paul is already signed for years. If we did pull a trade for him, we would have several years to get into contention(and honestly, if we somehow got Paul while keeping Jefferson and Love, we'd be in decent shape) and endear him to the franchise.

[casey]

no way...........wolves are in rebuilding mode, no way they do that deal to take on chandlers contract and Paul will for sure not signning extention with us, we are commited to Rubio and Flynn on PG

Paul>>>>>Flynn+Rubio

[NO-KG-AI]

George Shinn turned a profit last year, he just wants more, because he's greedy and not particularly worried about championships.

If the Hornets ever traded Chris Paul, they will understand the true meaning of "Financial trouble."

[The J Rocka]

Honestly i would love this trade even tho i would be sad to see Flynn go, but to get cp3, that would be something special, Chandler makes a lot $ but he's still younger and he's somebody over 7ft, and could really help us out inside.

I dont think this would ever happen tho, but who knows..

[Carpe Diem]

Why are the Clips even in this type of deal? ASSUMING (huge) that NO has to reduce salary, MN is one of the few teams that have the expirings, young talent, and future picks to make a competitive offer. There is no reason to include others to complicate the matter. The OP gives way too much to the Clips, essentially including them to get back our Jaric pick. I've never understood the fascination with that pick that some have on here.

[skorff26]

Why are the Clips even in this type of deal? ASSUMING (huge) that NO has to reduce salary, MN is one of the few teams that have the expirings, young talent, and future picks to make a competitive offer. There is no reason to include others to complicate the matter. The OP gives way too much to the Clips, essentially including them to get back our Jaric pick. I've never understood the fascination with that pick that some have on here.

I included the Clips in the deal since they take back Peja for expirings. Also they have that new TPE from the Randolph deal which would immediately save New Orleans some money (getting rid of Daniels); and the LAC take back a lot more salary in this trade

Paul has 3 more guaranteed years left on his contract; so we would have Paul with Jefferson and Love for at least 3 years.

I'm not sure if New Orleans would do it, but it does save them 50 million over the next 2 years, and they do also pick up some nice young pieces and a future PG in Flynn.

As for people who don't like this trade for us
-Paul > or = Rubio, Flynn, Pekovic (I'm a huge Rubio fan but he still has question marks about his game and we hope that he becomes as good as Paul, Flynn will be a solid player IMO but he won't be anywhere near the caliber of player that Paul is, and Pekovic has a lot of question marks as well a) will he come over b) how much money will he want c) will his game even transfer over to the NBA)
-our future pick = Charlotte's future pick; having our pick back gives us a little bit more flexibility
-Chandler's value is that of expirings so he doesn't swing it either way (I think he would be a nice 3rd big with Al and Love), and the expirings which are there to match salary

If we could pair Paul with a frontcourt of Love, Jefferson, and Chandler; we do it. We would still have Brewer, Ellington, and Gomes (and we could move Smith for a SG or SF as well)

[jade_hippo]

i'm not sure anyone involved agrees to this but Min. I don't think anyone wants to be the team who can say, "we were involved in a trade that we gave up Chris Paul and it involved Ricky Rubio but all we got in return was Johnny Flynn and 3 sacks of used YMCA over 40 league basketballs"

[jgustav1]

Clippers turn down this deal. Rubio won't be in the NBA for a couple of seasons and they don't want to add Peja and his salary.

[jade_hippo]

I'm not sure the clippers say no. Peja does add a dynamic to their team where they may actually be a playoff team. Baron if he returns to form. Gordon is going to have a huge sophmore year. Uncle Ricky off the bench is never a bad thing. Peja hitting the outside shots and Griffin/Camby/Kaman are a really formitable inside trio. I see no reason why this team cannot make the playoffs

[Carpe Diem]

The thesis of your claim turns on itself. Chris Paul is the type of talent you blow your cap flexibility on. If you have to take back Peja/Chandler and even another "bad" contract, so be it. Any team led by Chris Paul is playoff worthy and add Al Jefferson to that lineup makes the team a contender.

Any combo of picks, young talent, and expiring contracts/early termination is worth the move.

[jgustav1]

I'm not sure the clippers say no. Peja does add a dynamic to their team where they may actually be a playoff team. Baron if he returns to form. Gordon is going to have a huge sophmore year. Uncle Ricky off the bench is never a bad thing. Peja hitting the outside shots and Griffin/Camby/Kaman are a really formitable inside trio. I see no reason why this team cannot make the playoffs

The Clippers may make the playoffs or at least be around .500 depending on how well Gordon and Griffin play. They already have an outside shooter deluxe in Novak as a reserve SF, they don't need two years of Peja on the books after trading Zach Randolph. They can use the cap room in 2010 to either sign a second tier FA or use it for trade purposes like they did in acquiring Camby.

If Paul truly was on the block, they could put together a better trade package of their own involving Eric Gordon, Camby and a future #1 that would beat the Minnesota package.

[TrentTuckerForever]

To me the obvious deal here is Rubio/Love/flotsam for Paul. NO cuts costs and still sells tickets (via the cheaper Rubio), MN gets to pair Paul with Jefferson.

A true understanding of BYC is beyond my pay scale (shrink? a little help?) but just on the face of it if the Wolves were willing to take on Peja's contract for expirings as part of the deal I think NO would at least have to think about it. Something like:

Paul
Stojakovic

for

Thomas (expiring)
Cardinal (expiring)
Madsen (expiring)
Love
Rubio

[skorff26]

To me the obvious deal here is Rubio/Love/flotsam for Paul. NO cuts costs and still sells tickets (via the cheaper Rubio), MN gets to pair Paul with Jefferson.

A true understanding of BYC is beyond my pay scale (shrink? a little help?) but just on the face of it if the Wolves were willing to take on Peja's contract for expirings as part of the deal I think NO would at least have to think about it. Something like:

Paul
Stojakovic

for

Thomas (expiring)
Cardinal (expiring)
Madsen (expiring)
Love
Rubio

I was thinking something along these lines when I created the topic, but there were a couple of problems with it
1) Paul's BYC, his BYC status means that his outgoing value in a trade is cut in half; so that means that New Orleans isn't able to send out as much salary (and if they don't take a big salary cut this year, I don't think that they would trade Paul), and we don't have the TPE (that the clippers have) or the cap space to take a player. That's why LA was included so that New Orleans could save quite a bit more money as well.
2) Would Rubio want to go to New Orleans? I personally believe that Rubio's buyout is what is keeping him in Spain and New Orleans isn't that attractive of a place (we have talent, new orleans has the weather); I thought that if there were some other reason that Rubio had doubts about coming over LA would be a perfect spot (nice weather, good young core, and a big market).

[shrink]

I had a really nice discussion with one of the few Hornets fans on the boards, and while I'm in the minority, I remain convinced that the Hornets will trade Chris Paul in a Pau Gasol type deal. You won't see huge talent, though it will contain some prospects. The big price tag will be in hauling away two of the Hornets bigger contracts.

Now its certainly true that the Hornets had a profit this season, by selling out several of their games in the second half. However, this was unexpected, and the team had projected that they would lose close to $20 million this season. I would point out that simply getting under the lux tax would eliminate close to $20 mil. This revenue came from being in the play-off hunt, but as good as Paul is, his surrounding cast (Tyson Chandler, Peja, Posey) are all declining. They don't have promising prospects coming up to fill those holes either. On top of this, we saw them willing to move Chandler for financial reasons even when they were in a championship run. Money is a big deal in the micro-market New Orleans (the smallest in the NBA - 1/3rd the size of MPS, and 1/12th of NYC). They have a rich minority owner that may buy the team, but those longterm deals wreck the value for Shinn.

So how does Shinn get out of this? He only has one asset to move that much money -- Chris Paul. Yes, Paul is worth more than $14 mil, but that doesn't mean Paul, Chandler and Peja are worth $42.5 mil in salary next year, and $20 more in lux penalties.

Losing Chris Paul would be a huge loss for the Hornets, but their teams is financially wrecked, and hoping for championships to save attendance again, or for aging, bad-back Peja or "can't pass an OKC physical" Chandler to suddenly be worth $13-$14 mil and easily disposed of .. well, that's pretty unlikely. Shinn's net worth is only $100 mil.