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Re: Least favorite Wolves move/non move of all time? 

Post#21 » by Sephiroth » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:57 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:not spending Spree's expiring, our last remaining asset and missing an opportunity to compete w/ some weak contenders in that 2004-2007 time-frame


Yeah, I think Baron Davis was available at that time.

Eventually, the Warriors traded their expirings (Dale Davis?) for him and I think Baron ended up doing pretty well for them.
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Re: Least favorite Wolves move/non move of all time? 

Post#22 » by Worm Guts » Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:59 pm

Sephiroth wrote:
Devilzsidewalk wrote:not spending Spree's expiring, our last remaining asset and missing an opportunity to compete w/ some weak contenders in that 2004-2007 time-frame


Yeah, I think Baron Davis was available at that time.

Eventually, the Warriors traded their expirings (Dale Davis?) for him and I think Baron ended up doing pretty well for them.



Baron Davis and Vince Carter we're available, and VC was traded for trash.
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Re: Least favorite Wolves move/non move of all time? 

Post#23 » by shrink » Mon Aug 17, 2009 6:15 pm

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Sephiroth wrote:
Devilzsidewalk wrote:not spending Spree's expiring, our last remaining asset and missing an opportunity to compete w/ some weak contenders in that 2004-2007 time-frame


Yeah, I think Baron Davis was available at that time.

Eventually, the Warriors traded their expirings (Dale Davis?) for him and I think Baron ended up doing pretty well for them.



Baron Davis and Vince Carter we're available, and VC was traded for trash.


Yeah, but we'd just went through the prima donna sabotage of Cassell, and both Baron Davis and Carter had sabotaged teams in their past too.

I think if MIN had been competitive in that second year, Taylor would have stayed above the lux and used the exception. However, considering we didn't even make the play-offs, I don't blame him.

Lastly, we still the Spree exception, so we could technically still use it. We have to offer him a 3-year deal, but the last two could be team-option, so he's effectively a potential expiring. However, next season if we want to use our cap space, we'll have to renounce his rights.
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Re: Least favorite Wolves move/non move of all time? 

Post#24 » by GopherIt! » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:50 pm

passing on Big Country in the '95 draft for some scrawny high school kid.
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Re: Least favorite Wolves move/non move of all time? 

Post#25 » by Winter Wonder » Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:49 pm

Something that bothered me, though possibly not as much as some of the things that have already been brought up, was the very first draft pick of the franchise. Pooh Richardson before Tim Hardaway. One was a very average player in the NBA at best, probably sub-average to be truthful, the other was a dynamic playmaker. Also of note, both Mookie Blaylock and Shaw Kemp (wasn't fully aware of this) were also available with MN's first pick.

It just seemed to start the franchise off going on a path of mediocrity at best.
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Post#26 » by LA Warrior » Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:32 pm

not trading for luke walton.
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Re: Least favorite Wolves move/non move of all time? 

Post#27 » by Basti » Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:38 pm

LA Warrior wrote:not trading for luke walton.


this man is a wise man. this non move will haunt our franchise for decades to come. let's hope Kahn will make up his mind, lose his backbone and reveal his true identity as a snail and will offer Al Jefferson, Love, Rubio and our unprotected 1st rounder in 2013
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Re: Least favorite Wolves move/non move of all time? 

Post#28 » by The J Rocka » Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:47 pm

Wally over Hamilton (who i thought was a better prospect at the time) William Avery over Artest and Posey
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Re: Least favorite Wolves move/non move of all time? 

Post#29 » by revprodeji » Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:28 am

J_era u suck. I was just about to post that. I really liked Rip. To be fair I wanted Rip and J. Jones with those picks. I was very young and upset.
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Re: Least favorite Wolves move/non move of all time? 

Post#30 » by MN Die Hard » Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:10 pm

I'm surprised so many people mention Allen-Marbury. At the time it was seen as a GREAT move, because MN badly needed a PG, and Marbury and KG had become tight over the previous year. For a while Marbury seemed to be out of the Wolves' reach at pick #5, and when the deal was done I think the opinion, for the most part, was that the Wolves were set up for years to come, and fans were happy. Unfortunately nobody could predict the trainwreck that Marbury would become, but at the time most people agreed it was a terrific move for MN.

I see this situaiton differently than another one that is mentioned here, Jaric-Cassell, because most people recognized that as a horrible deal immediatly.
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Post#31 » by horaceworthy » Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:46 pm

Not trading Googs for Eddie Jones and Elden Campbell because of McHale's distaste for the Lakers. That would have given us a core of KG, Marbury, Jones and Campbell to go along with a fairly solid group of role players. Assuming Marbury still would have asked out, then we would have had KG/Brandon/Jones/Campbell plus the #6 that year (not sure if we would have used it on Wally with Jones in fold, but even then, adding Wally to those four makes for a nice team).

Instead Googs walks for nothing and we spend the rest of KG's time here struggling to surround him with a supporting cast.
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Post#32 » by funkatron101 » Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:00 pm

horaceworthy wrote:Not trading Googs for Eddie Jones and Elden Campbell because of McHale's distaste for the Lakers. That would have given us a core of KG, Marbury, Jones and Campbell to go along with a fairly solid group of role players. Assuming Marbury still would have asked out, then we would have had KG/Brandon/Jones/Campbell plus the #6 that year (not sure if we would have used it on Wally with Jones in fold, but even then, adding Wally to those four makes for a nice team).

Instead Googs walks for nothing and we spend the rest of KG's time here struggling to surround him with a supporting cast.

Yeah, that was another bad one. I definitely rank that up in the top five mistakes.

Can't guarantee that we would have still gotten the 6th pick, but I think that is a better core.
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Re: Least favorite Wolves move/non move of all time? 

Post#33 » by horaceworthy » Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:16 pm

We got the #6 pick from the Nets, that wasn't due to our record.
"A while back,'' Cardinal said, "I took a picture of the standings and texted it to Love, just to bust his chops,'' Cardinal said. "He sent me a picture back of a snowdrift.''
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Post#34 » by jade_hippo » Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:53 pm

the problem with Marbuy is that you'd think that some sort of psych eval would have have said hey this guy is going to become a nutjob and implode on the team. You can't tell me he spent the first 19 years of his life perfectly normal and then the day he was drafted he flips a switch and gets all loony.
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Post#35 » by Esohny » Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:58 pm

At the time, I didn't love that move. I wanted them to keep Ray Allen. (Not that the trade wasn't totally understandable and fine at the time).

But anyway, I won't choose a 20/20 hindsight move as my "least favorite." It's gotta be Roy/Foye...tons of people HATED that move as it happened. Fans, talking heads...a lot of people saw what a poor move it was at the time. And it's only gotten worse.
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Re: Least favorite Wolves move/non move of all time? 

Post#36 » by jade_hippo » Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:16 pm

Esohny wrote:At the time, I didn't love that move. I wanted them to keep Ray Allen. (Not that the trade wasn't totally understandable and fine at the time).

But anyway, I won't choose a 20/20 hindsight move as my "least favorite." It's gotta be Roy/Foye...tons of people HATED that move as it happened. Fans, talking heads...a lot of people saw what a poor move it was at the time. And it's only gotten worse.


i agree it was a bad deal, but it still has a chance to turn out well for us. We turned Foye into Rubio, and Foye does still have a chance to turn out well. It makes me sick to say this, but learning from Hibachi and Coach Cassel could do him wonders.
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Re: Least favorite Wolves move/non move of all time? 

Post#37 » by Carpe Diem » Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:24 pm

i don't think the Marbury/Allen trade was a bad trade at all. In fact, the package McHale got from NJ for Mebury was pretty good=Brandon/and the pick that turned into Wally. When Brandon went down we had the best record in the west. But to go forward, Wally was part of the trade that brought us Blount/Davis who were then traded for a first round pick from Miami. That pick has been flipped for a still-owed pick. On the other side, the Brandon contract turned into Spreewell who was part of the 04 WCF run. Interesting how things all play out.

Worst moves:
1. Joe Smith--Big reason why we were only able to surround KG during 1 year, as we lost so many assets as a result.
2. Roy for Foye. But if Rubio turns out to be the real deal then it might soften the blow to some extent.
3. Not trading Googs for Campbell/Jones who were both in their prime at the time.
4. Cassell for Jaric/#1--it was so unnecessary and a complete misjudgment of talent.
5. Not resigning Terry Porter following the lock-out. He wanted to come back and was a key veteran that stabilized a young team.
6. Drafting Luc Longley and Felton Spencer with two high draft picks in back to back years.
7. The 1997 draft---Paul Grant and Gordon Malone.
8. Resigning Thud to a contract based on a single good series.
9. Essentially giving away Christian Laetner to Atlanta.
10. Firing Flip--he was not the problem.

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