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Re: OT Beasley rehab 

Post#41 » by revprodeji » Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:02 pm

The "magic" reference is clearly based on his potential as a ball handler. he can break down defense, he can initiate offense. I know there would be some concern with him losing out on his rebounding, but I think you want to put him with the ball in his hands on the wing or in transition in order to reach his potential. He can still rebound from the 3 spot. he can defend whoever the bloody you want him to defend. But for him to reach his "magic" status you want him at the 3.
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Post#42 » by 4ho5ive » Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:11 pm

Or maybe we could just drop the "magic" title all together because of the ridiculousness of it and call him a point-forward.

Nah, thats crazy talk
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Post#43 » by St.Nick » Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:36 pm

revprodeji wrote:The "magic" reference is clearly based on his potential as a ball handler. he can break down defense, he can initiate offense. I know there would be some concern with him losing out on his rebounding, but I think you want to put him with the ball in his hands on the wing or in transition in order to reach his potential. He can still rebound from the 3 spot. he can defend whoever the bloody you want him to defend. But for him to reach his "magic" status you want him at the 3.


So we've got Larry Bird and Dr. J as the SF's who averaged 11 rpg. Those are some hefty standards to reach.

Point being, if 99% of all SF's in NBA history have not been rebounding the ball much then its probably best to keep a top rebounder away from that position and put him at PF.

We'll see next year. I think he'll be a hybrid SF/PF and Nellie will mask his deficiencies by putting a strong SF like Azubuike and Maggette at PF on the court with him.
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Re: OT Beasley rehab 

Post#44 » by Basti » Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:29 pm

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St.Nick wrote:First, 15/11 is good for any rookie. I think especially with one like Randolph you can expect him to expand on those numbers tremendously. 20/12 is not out of the question in a few seasons.

Let's not forget those 15/11 numbers you refer to were during the last 8 games of the season. First of all, anyone can have a good 8 game stretch. Second of all, everyone knows the bad teams are jockying for lottery position the last week of the season, and the good teams are resting their starters for the playoffs. 15/11 is nice, but it's not big enough of a sample size to draw any conclusions.

I don't think a SF has ever averaged 11rpg before, so you take away his rebounding abilities if he is playing SF. You also take away his shot blocking and his ability to get past opposing PF's that have no chance to guard him on the perimeter.

I don't even have to look it up but I guarantee some SF has averaged 11 rebounds over an 8 game stretch.

I think when people look at Randolph and see his slight frame that they assume he can't play PF. But the dude is strong and he can hang in there down low. As he gets bigger with age he will settle in nicely as a PF that provides ridiculous mismatches against the traditional PF's that will get outjumped and outathleticised (new word) by Randolph.

It's the NBA man, freakish athletes are a dime a dozen. Define what you mean by traditional PF because I consider Amare Stoudemire a PF and he's easily the better athlete right now. You have high hopes for Randolph but you're going to have to do more than take an 8 game sampling to convince me Randolph will be a special PF.


I don't really want to compare Randolph to him at all but this post screams like Ndudi Ebi in his rookie season. dude had some good stats in April.
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Re: OT Beasley rehab 

Post#45 » by jade_hippo » Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:17 pm

Antoine Walker 10.2 in 97-98
KG with 10+ from 98-07 (he definately was still a SF in 98 and slowly blurred that line over the next 6 years to where he is now a PF/C mix i'd say)
i'll think of others, i know there have been a couple prolific rebounding small forwards
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Re: OT Beasley rehab 

Post#46 » by shrink » Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:21 am

Miami Sun=Sentinel wrote: In two separate developments Friday, it was learned that Heat President Pat Riley has decided to forgo the free-agent market when it comes to his team's lack of depth at point guard, and it was confirmed that Beasley's current stay at a Houston inpatient rehab facility is the result of a compliance failure in the NBA's substance-abuse program

As for Beasley, a source familiar with the situation confirmed that a misstep by the 20-year-old forward while participating in an outpatient program resulted in more stringent guidelines being established.

The source said the lapse was not related to drug use but rather adherence to program rules. The current stay is not voluntary, but is the only avenue for a return to the court.

Under NBA policy, neither the league nor the Heat is allowed to comment on the substance-abuse program, including whether a player even is part of the program. It was learned earlier this week, however, that Beasley was entered into the program for an infraction during last year's NBA rookie symposium.
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Re: OT Beasley rehab 

Post#47 » by TheFranchise21 » Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:57 am

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St.Nick wrote:First, 15/11 is good for any rookie. I think especially with one like Randolph you can expect him to expand on those numbers tremendously. 20/12 is not out of the question in a few seasons.

Let's not forget those 15/11 numbers you refer to were during the last 8 games of the season. First of all, anyone can have a good 8 game stretch. Second of all, everyone knows the bad teams are jockying for lottery position the last week of the season, and the good teams are resting their starters for the playoffs. 15/11 is nice, but it's not big enough of a sample size to draw any conclusions.

I don't think a SF has ever averaged 11rpg before, so you take away his rebounding abilities if he is playing SF. You also take away his shot blocking and his ability to get past opposing PF's that have no chance to guard him on the perimeter.

I don't even have to look it up but I guarantee some SF has averaged 11 rebounds over an 8 game stretch.

I think when people look at Randolph and see his slight frame that they assume he can't play PF. But the dude is strong and he can hang in there down low. As he gets bigger with age he will settle in nicely as a PF that provides ridiculous mismatches against the traditional PF's that will get outjumped and outathleticised (new word) by Randolph.

It's the NBA man, freakish athletes are a dime a dozen. Define what you mean by traditional PF because I consider Amare Stoudemire a PF and he's easily the better athlete right now. You have high hopes for Randolph but you're going to have to do more than take an 8 game sampling to convince me Randolph will be a special PF.


I don't really want to compare Randolph to him at all but this post screams like Ndudi Ebi in his rookie season. dude had some good stats in April.

Funny you say that because I thought about mentioning Ebi in my post but I thought it might be stretching it.
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