Knicks Make Last Push For Rubio

[C.lupus]

I don't know why Portland would do that. But, yeah, works for me as a Wolves fan.

[wolves_fan_82au]

where would Lee and nate play? no way lee starts will he be happy coming of the bench?

[Foye]

What world do you live in where the most double doubles in the league(more than Dwight Howard) and still improving, is crap? Don't even mention D'antoni because he's done it with Isiah.

Rubio's value is going down every day now but the Knicks are clearly offering a life line here.

Best case scenario with Rubio sticking with the Wolves is that he comes in 2 years and still needs another 2 years or so to adjust to American ball. All the while competing with Flynn, whom many think of as a future cornerstone of the franchise.

Worst case scenario is that he stays in Europe and your asset is absolutely wasted. This is a very real possibility.

If the Knicks offer anything around the value of a #5 pick that is playing in the NBA this season, the Wolves would be foolish not to jump all over it.

We've got two double-double machines on our roster. Their is no playing time for a third

I'm all for keeping Rubio's rights until he wants to come over in two years. By the time we'll be a solid team with playoff ambitions in near future and Rubio (or what we can get in a trade for him if he develops well) will make us a lot better then.

Lee and Nate are not bad but not what we need.

[Teppler]

If you think Gallinari + other assets is a fair deal then you are out of your mind. Gallo is NBA ready and looks to be poised to break out with an absolutely magnificent shot. Rubio looks like an immature kid who's never coming to the NBA. Gallo for Rubio alone wouldn't be fair.

Rubio's value has dropped significantly with all of this. David Lee is a legitimate trading piece. Just look at what the Knicks did with Jamal Crawford/Z-bo last season. If the Wolves wouldn't be able to flip Lee for something they want pre season, all they have to do is show case him a couple weeks, maybe try to get him to play defense, and you easily have a very valuable trading piece to a playoff team. Same to a lesser degree with Nate, although you can probably sign him for cheap, something that's not really an option to the Knicks at this point.

For the guy who complained that a Knick 2012 pick wouldn't be worth much because it's so far away, what exactly are you expecting with the Rubio situation? He's either coming in 2-6 years then he has an NBA adjustment period. The reason the trades to the Knicks make sense is that the Knicks can offer maximum value since they can actually get him to play this year. They also have the best system and personnel for him to flourish.

If the Wolves can't work out a fair trade with the Knicks, good luck either waiting half a decade/never seeing him at all, or finding a team that can- #1 buy out Rubio, #2 Needs a PG, #3 Is rebuilding.

[Worm Guts]

There's no reason to trade rubio at all this off season. He'll have more value next year (closer to his opt out date) and the Wolves have no urgency to add help this season.

[Teppler]

What world do you live in where the most double doubles in the league(more than Dwight Howard) and still improving, is crap? Don't even mention D'antoni because he's done it with Isiah.

Rubio's value is going down every day now but the Knicks are clearly offering a life line here.

Best case scenario with Rubio sticking with the Wolves is that he comes in 2 years and still needs another 2 years or so to adjust to American ball. All the while competing with Flynn, whom many think of as a future cornerstone of the franchise.

Worst case scenario is that he stays in Europe and your asset is absolutely wasted. This is a very real possibility.

If the Knicks offer anything around the value of a #5 pick that is playing in the NBA this season, the Wolves would be foolish not to jump all over it.

We've got two double-double machines on our roster. Their is no playing time for a third

I'm all for keeping Rubio's rights until he wants to come over in two years. By the time we'll be a solid team with playoff ambitions in near future and Rubio (or what we can get in a trade for him if he develops well) will make us a lot better then.

Lee and Nate are not bad but not what we need.

Aren't you concerned that in 2 years(if he decides to come at that time, which is a huge if, there seems to be a new problem every day), he will still need time to adjust from Euro ball to NBA? I know it's a bit far away to mention something like this, but if Flynn turns out like most Wolves fans are hoping for, you'll then have a borderline star in Flynn with the chore of having to find time to showcase Rubio. Not exactly a great situation for a team with playoff aspirations. It could turn out to be a wasted asset situation like Jerryd Bayless, only potentially worse because I could see someone like Rubio having a hard time adjusting while playing limited minutes.

With Lee and Nate, you don't need to marry either of them. A 3 way trade would probably be ideal but if this is not the situation, the Wolves can flip Lee and Nate MUCH easier than Rubio.

I'm sorry but Rubio is just a poor investment for the Wolves right now. For a 5th pick you got a player you might never see and if you see him(2-6 years), his game might not even be NBA viable.

[Worm Guts]

Aren't you concerned that in 2 years(if he decides to come at that time, which is a huge if, there seems to be a new problem every day), he will still need time to adjust from Euro ball to NBA? I know it's a bit far away to mention something like this, but if Flynn turns out like most Wolves fans are hoping for, you'll then have a borderline star in Flynn with the chore of having to find time to showcase Rubio. Not exactly a great situation for a team with playoff aspirations. It could turn out to be a wasted asset situation like Jerryd Bayless, only potentially worse because I could see someone like Rubio having a hard time adjusting while playing limited minutes.

With Lee and Nate, you don't need to marry either of them. A 3 way trade would probably be ideal but if this is not the situation, the Wolves can flip Lee and Nate MUCH easier than Rubio.

I'm sorry but Rubio is just a poor investment for the Wolves right now. For a 5th pick you got a player you might never see and if you see him(2-6 years), his game might not even be NBA viable.

Explain the need to trade him now as opposed to in 1 or 2 years. Adding Lee or Robinson would be completely contradictory to everything the Wolves have done this offseason.

[Esohny]

If Lee and Robinson are such highly valuable pieces, why haven't the knicks gotten ANYTHING for them?

This rumor is ridiculous. Awful idea, and completely counter to everything the Wolves have done lately.

[Teppler]

Aren't you concerned that in 2 years(if he decides to come at that time, which is a huge if, there seems to be a new problem every day), he will still need time to adjust from Euro ball to NBA? I know it's a bit far away to mention something like this, but if Flynn turns out like most Wolves fans are hoping for, you'll then have a borderline star in Flynn with the chore of having to find time to showcase Rubio. Not exactly a great situation for a team with playoff aspirations. It could turn out to be a wasted asset situation like Jerryd Bayless, only potentially worse because I could see someone like Rubio having a hard time adjusting while playing limited minutes.

With Lee and Nate, you don't need to marry either of them. A 3 way trade would probably be ideal but if this is not the situation, the Wolves can flip Lee and Nate MUCH easier than Rubio.

I'm sorry but Rubio is just a poor investment for the Wolves right now. For a 5th pick you got a player you might never see and if you see him(2-6 years), his game might not even be NBA viable.

Explain the need to trade him now as opposed to in 1 or 2 years. Adding Lee or Robinson would be completely contradictory to everything the Wolves have done this offseason.

In 1-2 years, his hype and value dies down while people still remember what a headache he is. In 1-2 years he is still 2 years minimum away from playing the NBA at a high level(if his game is even NBA viable).

The Knicks are the one exception to all of this since they can get him to play now in a system where he would be most comfortable.

If the Wolves can't flip Lee and Nate right away, they will fit Kahn's credo of accumulating assets. Maximize those assets values by showcasing them early in the season and trade for pieces you need.

[Teppler]

If Lee and Robinson are such highly valuable pieces, why haven't the knicks gotten ANYTHING for them?

This rumor is ridiculous. Awful idea, and completely counter to everything the Wolves have done lately.

They are restricted free agents and Walsh is playing the waiting game to maximize the value he gets back.

[Worm Guts]

In 1-2 years, his hype and value dies down while people still remember what a headache he is. In 1-2 years he is still 2 years minimum away from playing the NBA at a high level(if his game is even NBA viable).

The Knicks are the one exception to all of this since they can get him to play now in a system where he would be most comfortable.

If the Wolves can't flip Lee and Nate right away, they will fit Kahn's credo of accumulating assets. Maximize those assets values by showcasing them early in the season and trade for pieces you need.

I completely disagree. As long as Rubio continues to play well in Europe, his stock will stay high. And there's no time limit for Rubio as a trade asset. He belongs to Wolves until he plays in the NBA. Robinson and Lee could only be moved until the trade deadline, there's no way the Wolves should aquire them unless they have an immediate plan to get something useful for them.

[Foye]

If you think Gallinari + other assets is a fair deal then you are out of your mind. Gallo is NBA ready and looks to be poised to break out with an absolutely magnificent shot. Rubio looks like an immature kid who's never coming to the NBA. Gallo for Rubio alone wouldn't be fair.

Yeah you are right "proven" Gallinari who has played a total of 412 minutes out of 3936 possible minutes last season due to back issues at the age of 20 is a better asset than Rubio. You know what? I'd stay away from any player who has back issues nearly a full season at the age of 20 unless he has LeBron potential. Something Gallinari certainly hasn't. I don't wanna built my team around the hospital.

Rubio's value has dropped significantly with all of this. David Lee is a legitimate trading piece. Just look at what the Knicks did with Jamal Crawford/Z-bo last season. If the Wolves wouldn't be able to flip Lee for something they want pre season, all they have to do is show case him a couple weeks, maybe try to get him to play defense, and you easily have a very valuable trading piece to a playoff team. Same to a lesser degree with Nate, although you can probably sign him for cheap, something that's not really an option to the Knicks at this point.

We can sign Nate for cheap and have two players up front who are IMO better than Lee. So whats the point of this trade...we are looking to find our future starting 5 and we're not looking for 6th men. We can get something in return for Lee and Nate. True. But NO asset we get in return for them will have equal potential as Rubio has. That is a fact.

For the guy who complained that a Knick 2012 pick wouldn't be worth much because it's so far away, what exactly are you expecting with the Rubio situation? He's either coming in 2-6 years then he has an NBA adjustment period. The reason the trades to the Knicks make sense is that the Knicks can offer maximum value since they can actually get him to play this year. They also have the best system and personnel for him to flourish.

If the Wolves can't work out a fair trade with the Knicks, good luck either waiting half a decade/never seeing him at all, or finding a team that can- #1 buy out Rubio, #2 Needs a PG, #3 Is rebuilding.[/quote]

I promise you that Rubio will be in the nba in 2 years unless an injury ends his career.
Unless you find a way to send a high-skilled young player to Minny (and no: both Gallinari and Chandler are no options for me) there is no way NY can trade for Rubio. Think of including a 3rd team. NYKfans gotta realize that no scenario of trading for Rubio without involving a 3rd team exists.

[Foye]

If Lee and Robinson are such highly valuable pieces, why haven't the knicks gotten ANYTHING for them?

This rumor is ridiculous. Awful idea, and completely counter to everything the Wolves have done lately.

They are restricted free agents and Walsh is playing the waiting game to maximize the value he gets back.

I guess both will end up staying in NY for another season. Maximum value

[Teppler]

Yeah you are right "proven" Gallinari who has played a total of 412 minutes out of 3936 possible minutes last season due to back issues at the age of 20 is a better asset than Rubio. You know what? I'd stay away from any player who has back issues nearly a full season at the age of 20 unless he has LeBron potential. Something Gallinari certainly hasn't. I don't wanna built my team around the hospital.

So much ignorance here...

There's a big difference between being "proven" and being "NBA ready". I said he's NBA ready. Gallo has had 1 injury his whole life and he's already labeled injury prone. Never mind the fact that he came into training camp in the best shape of his life, taller and with a ton of muscle put on. Nevermind the fact that he's already one of the best shooters in the NBA despite the fact that we've only seen him with a bad back. Forget the mental toughness/intensity and fanatical hard work he's already displayed.

You're right, Gallo truly has nothing going for him and is a dud of a prospect.

Rubio on the other hand is neither NBA ready nor proven. Gallo, at the very VERY least, is a fantastic role player who will be able to drop open shots all day. Any team could use that.

We can sign Nate for cheap and have two players up front who are IMO better than Lee. So whats the point of this trade...we are looking to find our future starting 5 and we're not looking for 6th men. We can get something in return for Lee and Nate. True. But NO asset we get in return for them will have equal potential as Rubio has. That is a fact.

You can't sign Nate for too cheap because he is a RFA.

Lee can play anywhere from SF-PF-C and he WILL net any team double doubles on a consistent basis. Having production like that is never useless. The Wolves need some pieces that are going to help them get some W's.

If you don't subscribe to that thought, think of it this way. Lee's going to be a lot easier to flip than Rubio ever will. No one here seems to realize that there is a very realistic chance that we will never see Rubio play in the NBA. Between that and the fact that his game might not translate to the NBA, you have an incredibly risky asset. A future first rounder + other assets that can be flipped is an absolute gift the Wolves should be jumping over. If not, I wish you luck waiting but I wouldn't be too hopeful.

[Teppler]

If Lee and Robinson are such highly valuable pieces, why haven't the knicks gotten ANYTHING for them?

This rumor is ridiculous. Awful idea, and completely counter to everything the Wolves have done lately.

They are restricted free agents and Walsh is playing the waiting game to maximize the value he gets back.

I guess both will end up staying in NY for another season. Maximum value

Tell that to Crawford and Z-bo both of whom everyone thought were untradeable going into last season. Lee and Nate are going to be 100% easier to flip and we'll get some nice pieces back this time.

[Esohny]

Will they be traded around the same time the knicks manage to dump Curry?

[Teppler]

Currys gotta show something before he's tradeable. Lee and Nate could go or be signed at any time.

[revprodeji]

The Knicks are again pushing to make a trade for Ricky Rubio, according to a league source that spoke with the Star Tribune.
Minnesota would like acquire restricted free agents David Lee, Nate Robinson and a future No. 1 pick in the deal, while receiving cap relief for Mark Blount and Brian Cardinal.
Three separate sources that spoke with Newsday have shot down the Star Tribune's report, at the very least the possibility of Lee being included.
Via Star Tribune
I just wanted to know what your thoughts were on this. Do you think this would be a wise move or not?

Bolded is the only part that matters. Now here are the flaws

1.) lee and nateRob would need to sign off on this deal. basically agreeing to be traded to a team where they will be back-ups.
2.) How is taking 2 expiring contracts cap relief?

There is no truth to this report and I only posted to mock it. I will lock this in a little bit. Stupid knicks.