New Ricky Rubio discussion thread.

[Basti]

Absolutely. You should post updates about Two & Half Men every two & half minutes.

I should have seen this post. damn. now it's too late but I gotta say this episode was awesome. a few months ago a friend recommended me that show but I wasn't that impressed in the 1st place. in fact I found it to be quite overrated (might have been due to a bad dubbing though) but after a while I found it to be okay which might have been due to the fact that I needed legit reasons to procrastinate. and as it tourned out, now I love this show.

[tvwolves7]

Anyone have a link for a boxscore of the Spain vs Lithuania game?

[midtown]

My last post on this topic. Ricky will be here in 3 years. So you guys preaching rebuilding can keep rebuilding and rebuilding AND then integrate your new PG in 3 years....assuming he's still your PG

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/s ... bio-090902

Why we might not see Rubio until 2012

By Chris Sheridan
ESPN.com
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Wolves president David Kahn (left) will have to wait a while until he sees Rubio in a Minnesota uniform.
Don't expect to see Ricky Rubio playing for the Minnesota Timberwolves -- or any other NBA team -- in the summer of 2011, two years from now.

The opinion here is that it'll be three years before Rubio leaves FC Barcelona, and there are millions upon millions of rea$on$ why this theory holds water.

Here's the main thing: money.

It's always about the money, and the monetary benefits of Rubio's playing three more years in Spain instead of two are astronomical.

If Rubio exercises his 1 million euro buyout in the summer of 2011 after two seasons with FC Barcelona, he then would be able to sign with the Timberwolves (or any other NBA team if Minnesota were to trade his rights) under terms of the 2011-12 rookie-salary scale. Assuming collective bargaining agreement rules don't change, that would guarantee him $7.22 million in his first two NBA seasons, with his team holding options for a $4 million salary in his third season and $5.07 million in '14-15. He would make a total of $16.29 million in his first four seasons, and he would not be eligible to become an unrestricted free agent until the summer of 2016, when he would be 25.

But …

If Rubio plays three seasons for FC Barcelona, by the summer of 2012 he no longer would be bound by the terms of the NBA rookie scale, which apply to first-round picks only for the first three years after which they are drafted.

Rubio then could exercise his buyout (which remains the same in 2012 as it is in 2011: 1 million euros), come to America at age 21 and not be bound by the rookie scale. (Yes, there is a specific rule covering these situations. We've checked the details with the highest authorities and discovered a few caveats: Rubio's contract would have to be for a minimum of three years and a maximum of five, and the money that would be made available to him could be only from a team with salary-cap space, the mid-level exception, or a disabled player exception.)

So let's say the Wolves are $8 million under the cap in the summer of 2012, they still hold Rubio's rights and Rubio has blossomed into an All-Star-caliber player.

Minnesota then could offer Rubio a five-year deal starting at $8 million with 8 percent annual raises (assuming CBA rules don't change), which would total out at $46.4 million and make him an unrestricted free agent at age 26. (Moreover, if Rubio had an opt out, he could become unrestricted at 25.)

In short, if Rubio comes in 2011, the rules say he can earn a maximum of $16.3 million in his first four seasons. If he comes in 2012, he won't be boxed into that rookie-scale deal.

Let's take it even further: If Rubio's stock rises to the point where he is considered talented enough to be a "max" player (a player eligible to receive a maximum salary, which in Rubio's case would be 25 percent of the salary cap if the rule stays the same under the new CBA), and his agent can get Rubio's rights traded to a team with "max" space, he could make $16.3 million in his rookie season alone.

Yes, there are a lot of ifs there, and another big if is whether those same rules would be grandfathered into the new collective bargaining agreement that will replace the one likely to expire in June 2011.

Still, under the current rules, Rubio would be loco ("crazy" en Español) to leave Spain in 2011 rather than 2012.

On Wednesday, I asked Timberwolves president David Kahn what assurances he had that Rubio would be coming to Minnesota in 2011, which is what everyone seems to be assuming.

Kahn's reply:

"I have nothing but his word that he wants to come, but he doesn't have to."

Kahn also had Rubio's word on Saturday night when he, agent Dan Fegan and DKV Joventut president Jordi Villacampa sat down and had dinner together. They even went so far as to put the terms of their agreement in writing -- a "term sheet" in industry parlance. But by Monday, Rubio had changed his mind and played his ultimate trump card. (Unlike in the NBA, players under FIBA contracts have the right to approve their transfer to another club, and Rubio said he wanted to be dealt to FC Barcelona, not Minnesota.)

So although we do not doubt Rubio's word that he ultimately aspires to play in the NBA, we are not at all sold on the idea that he's coming in two years.

If money matters, it'll be three. And money always matters.

So see ya in 2012, Ricky, not 2011.

[john2jer]

I love how the tool blew up the font on his post. Of course coming from the Knicks board who's mods like to insult posters, then lock the thread so no one can respond to his 4 year old temper tantrum, its to be expected.

[midtown]

I love how the tool blew up the font on his post. Of course coming from the Knicks board who's mods like to insult posters, then lock the thread so no one can respond to his 4 year old temper tantrum, its to be expected.

Happy ? You should read what you guys say about this whole thing , like you calling me a tool . Cant anyone look at this subjectively?

Grow the F up and try and have a proper discussion instead of being a child and name calling

[Esohny]

I love how the tool blew up the font on his post. Of course coming from the Knicks board who's mods like to insult posters, then lock the thread so no one can respond to his 4 year old temper tantrum, its to be expected.

Happy ? You should read what you guys say about this whole thing , like you calling me a tool . Cant anyone look at this subjectively?

Grow the F up and try and have a proper discussion instead of being a child and name calling

Really? Not a tad hypocritical when your previous post was a copy of an article that had ALREADY BEEN POSTED blown up to super bold lettering like it made your position(what is that anyway?) more "correct." Half of your posts have been absurdly childish. Do you have a purpose here besides making inflammatory posts followed by posts complaining about people thinking you're a tool for writing inflammatory posts?

[john2jer]

I love how the tool blew up the font on his post. Of course coming from the Knicks board who's mods like to insult posters, then lock the thread so no one can respond to his 4 year old temper tantrum, its to be expected.

Happy ? You should read what you guys say about this whole thing , like you calling me a tool . Cant anyone look at this subjectively?

Grow the F up and try and have a proper discussion instead of being a child and name calling

Toolbox, I think objectively is the word you're lorking for. Or maybe that's your problem.

sub·jec·tive (sb-jktv)
adj.
1.
a. Proceeding from or taking place in a person's mind rather than the external world: a subjective decision.
b. Particular to a given person; personal: subjective experience.
2. Moodily introspective.
3. Existing only in the mind; illusory.
4. Psychology Existing only within the experiencer's mind.


ob·jec·tive (b-jktv)
adj.
1. Of or having to do with a material object.
2. Having actual existence or reality.
3.
a. Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices: an objective critic. See Synonyms at fair1.
b. Based on observable phenomena; presented factually: an objective appraisal.
n.
1. Something that actually exists.

Wolves fans are looking at what actually exists, and Knick fans like to make up their own story. You live in a soap opera world. Maybe your problem is you're not intelligent enough to have this discussion? Nice job on that font, btw.

[frangs]

Anyone have a link for a boxscore of the Spain vs Lithuania game?

http://www.feb.es/documentos/archivo/pd ... uspain.pdf

Not the best game to draw conclusions. It was a total blow out by Lithuania in the second half.
Ricky, in my opinion, played well, specially in the first quarter. Very active and effective in defense and taking the right decisions without trying to be always the flashy passer.
It looks like he has gained some confidence after seeing his future solved.

[midtown]

I love how the tool blew up the font on his post. Of course coming from the Knicks board who's mods like to insult posters, then lock the thread so no one can respond to his 4 year old temper tantrum, its to be expected.

Happy ? You should read what you guys say about this whole thing , like you calling me a tool . Cant anyone look at this subjectively?

Grow the F up and try and have a proper discussion instead of being a child and name calling

Really? Not a tad hypocritical when your previous post was a copy of an article that had ALREADY BEEN POSTED blown up to super bold lettering like it made your position(what is that anyway?) more "correct." Half of your posts have been absurdly childish. Do you have a purpose here besides making inflammatory posts followed by posts complaining about people thinking you're a tool for writing inflammatory posts?

Inflammatory posts ?

I guess this Rubio situation is really a sensitive matter here . I dont read every single post so didnt catch that I had reposted the same article. Sorry. This was merely about the factual points around Kahn's moves and Rubio , the trades that were on the table and where the club COULD be standing today. It was always about basketball and when I was attacked by your crew...I defended myself with facts and attacked back.

which leads me to

Toolbox, I think objectively is the word you're lorking for. Or maybe that's your problem.

sub·jec·tive (sb-jktv)
adj.
1.
a. Proceeding from or taking place in a person's mind rather than the external world: a subjective decision.
b. Particular to a given person; personal: subjective experience.
2. Moodily introspective.
3. Existing only in the mind; illusory.
4. Psychology Existing only within the experiencer's mind.


ob·jec·tive (b-jktv)
adj.
1. Of or having to do with a material object.
2. Having actual existence or reality.
3.
a. Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices: an objective critic. See Synonyms at fair1.
b. Based on observable phenomena; presented factually: an objective appraisal.
n.
1. Something that actually exists.

Wolves fans are looking at what actually exists, and Knick fans like to make up their own story. You live in a soap opera world. Maybe your problem is you're not intelligent enough to have this discussion? Nice job on that font, btw.

Very basketball / Minnesota Wolves related

I love how no one has even said boo about the fact that RR wont , more than likely , play in the NBA till 2012 and for much more money . Thats the same year where AL has one year left ( he expires at the end of the 2012 season) and Love gets his QO. Id say financially , thats cause for concern, no?

Instead just go waaay off topic

[john2jer]

Facts and subjective thinking, eh?

[midtown]

Last reply . I want to leave your forum on a positive note ....

Sorry to all those I offended.

WIth Ricky coming over in 2012 you do get to benefit from the 2012 Olympics !! It was last summer's Olympics that put him on the map in the first place.

If Minny doesn't want to pay him the money that is in the article in his first year in the NBA , they can then use the hype & showcase of the Olympics ( provided he plays in them and plays well ) to maximize his trade value .

Question is ...will Kahn wait ?

[frangs]

Last reply . I want to leave your forum on a positive note ....

Sorry to all those I offended.

WIth Ricky coming over in 2012 you do get to benefit from the 2012 Olympics !! It was last summer's Olympics that put him on the map in the first place.

If Minny doesn't want to pay him the money that is in the article in his first year in the NBA , they can then use the hype & showcase of the Olympics ( provided he plays in them and plays well ) to maximize his trade value .

Question is ...will Kahn wait ?

Those who are interested in international prospects don't wait until the olympics to see how good/bad a player is.
Eurobasket just starts next week (with Spain and Ricky), and then he will be playing for 2 years in one of the top 5 teams in Europe (Barcelona) both in the ACB and in Euroleague.
This means he is likely to be in the Copa del Rey (in Spain), ACB playoffs and Euroleague playoffs fighting for the three titles every season. These playoffs are always full of international scouts coming to see possible draftees so his exposure will be continuos.

The Olympics hype was mainly because of the game against USA, but his skills are going to be tested in every game for the next 2 years and I am sure those who could be interested in a trade will be following his European venture.

[Steve_Holiday]

a nice back-handed compliment post from mid-town to close this out, and a well-put response from frangs.

now boys, let's lock this bad larry up and put it in a time capsule (DO NOT OPEN FOR 2-3 YEARS!)

one final question, can you believe the wolves wasted the first pick of the second round in the draft only to have to wait 2 years for Pekovic?!?!

[LOBO 7]

Alright, well we are going to need another Rubio thread now, devoted to links to games/boxscores/youtube clips, etc.

Here's my prediction for what the situation will be when we look back at this thread in 2-3 years. Flynn will have a very solid rookie season, but not quite look like a franchise PG. Wolves lose a lot, get a top 5 pick, draft Evan Turner.........

Hell, who knows? I will say that I predict Rubio WILL wear a Wolves jersey in his first NBA game, and in that game he will show a few flashes of brilliance, finishing the game with a respectable 4 points, 6 assists, 1 steal, and 1 rebound in 28 minutes.

[revprodeji]

Good riddance