MN/MEM/LAL (AL & Rubio)

B Calrissian · Post #1 » by **B Calrissian** » Sun Sep 6, 2009 10:39 pm

Wolves
In- Mayo (4.1m), Bynum (12.5m), Powell (>1m)
Out- Jefferson (12m), Rubio, Ellington (1m), Songaila (4.5m)

(rotation)
Flynn/Sessions -- Brown
Mayo/Sessions
Brewer/Gomes
Love/Pecherov -- Cardinal
Bynum/Hollins -- Powell

(suits, waived, bought out)Atkins/Blount/Wilkins

Grizzlies
In- Jefferson (12m), Ellington (1m), Vujacic (5m)
Out- Mayo (4.1m), Gasol (3.3m), Jaric (7.1m)

Conley/Williams
Vujacic/Ellington
Gay/Young/Carroll
Randolph/Arthur
Jefferson/Thabeet/Haddadi

Hunter/Gilder

Lakers
In- Rubio, Gasol (3.3m), Jaric (7.1m), Songaila (4.5m)
Out- Bynum (12.5m), Vujacic (5m), Powell (>1m)

(Rubio)Fisher/Jaric
Bryant/Brown
Artest/Walton/Morrison
P.Gasol/Odom
M.Gasol/Songaila/Mbenga

(starting in the D League - Farmar)

NewWolvesOrder · Post #2 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Sun Sep 6, 2009 10:56 pm

a line up of Al and Zack???

I doubt memphis wants it

Esohny · Post #3 » by **Esohny** » Sun Sep 6, 2009 11:04 pm

I don't see the Lakers doing that.

deeney0 · Post #4 » by **deeney0** » Sun Sep 6, 2009 11:38 pm

I don't much like it for the Wolves either. For the sake of argument, Bynum has more value than Rubio (this is certainly arguable), but the downgrade from Jefferson to Mayo is not worth that, and this coming from perhaps the biggest Mayo fan on this board.

Post #5 » by **The J Rocka** » Mon Sep 7, 2009 1:01 am

Yea Al has way more value, wouldn't mind getting Bynum or Mayo for Rubio tho

jade_hippo · Post #6 » by **jade_hippo** » Mon Sep 7, 2009 2:27 am

if we get Sessions i'd trade Rubio for Mayo in a heartbeat. I'm not sure the Griz make that deal though. Really doesn't make any sense for them bolstering their already crowded frontcourt with a guy not really known for playing defense all the while without getting rid of Rainbow Randolph. On top of that to lose a dynamic backcourt player to only replace him with Sasha pretty much guarantees they lose 70 games but average 180 points a game.

shrink · Post #7 » by **shrink** » Mon Sep 7, 2009 3:33 am

Bynum is overpaid in today's market, and as J2J suggested, I wouldn't give Rubio for him.

I just wrote this on the trade board:

shrink wrote: I think LAL overpaid for Bynum as well, and even LAL fans need to toss that into their valuation of him. Here's the contracts from 2008 and 2009 for the major players (>MLE).

$14.6 Arenas (max?)
$13.8 Dwight Howard (max)
$13.5 Chris Paul (max)
$13.5 Deron Williams (max)

$12.5 Bynum

$11.3 Iguodala
$11.0 Monta Ellis
$11.0 Al Jefferson
$10.0 Bogut
$10.0 Josh Smith
$9.9 Granger
$9.5 Okafor
$9.4 Deng (ick)
$9.0 Biedrins
$8.8 Kevin Martin
$7.8 Devin Harris
$7.7 Milsap
$7.7 Jameer Nelson

There are lots of good players making less.

younggunsmn · Post #8 » by **younggunsmn** » Mon Sep 7, 2009 3:54 am

If bynum stays healthy all year I could see a bynum for rubio/change swap happening next summer.
Bynum was absolutely dominant before he got hurt last year, he was not the same guy when he came back.
Until then bynum is near impossible to move without involving a team significantly under the cap because of his base year compensation status.

Involving Al and Mayo is too much here.

horaceworthy · Post #9 » by **horaceworthy** » Mon Sep 7, 2009 4:22 am

Lando Dee Williams, I hate your trade.

Post #10 » by **Basti** » Mon Sep 7, 2009 5:53 am

shrink wrote:Bynum is overpaid in today's market, and as J2J suggested, I wouldn't give Rubio for him.

it's obvious we're in the middle of the offseason. shrink already mixes up posters instead of players

anyway I wouldn't do this deal. sure Mayo and Bynum would be nice to have but not at the cost of Al and Ricky.

shrink · Post #11 » by **shrink** » Mon Sep 7, 2009 1:22 pm

basti wrote:[ it's obvious we're in the middle of the offseason. shrink already mixes up posters instead of players :D

LOL! I haven't been working hard enough this off-season, but I hope to get to full-speed by the time we have our first pre-season game. I'm starting these plyometrics where I jump up on a box, look at a picture of Al Jefferson, and shout "RICHARD!" for as many reps as I can in 15 seconds. Hopefully I'll be 100% by Game 1.

Post #12 » by **revprodeji** » Mon Sep 7, 2009 7:01 pm

We should demand a 2 drink min before reading the OP.

B Calrissian · Post #13 » by **B Calrissian** » Mon Sep 7, 2009 7:38 pm

I guess I really undervalue Jefferson. Is his value comparable to another player in the league?
Rev, I'll put a sober reading warning on top of the page when I make another trade thread.

jade_hippo · Post #14 » by **jade_hippo** » Mon Sep 7, 2009 8:38 pm

i see Al as a top 3 low post scorer in the league regardless of how much athletic ability he has when he comes back. He's a brute at 270 and has really good footwork on the offensive end only somehow... and could probably get away without much explosion in his legs or much athleticism since he really doesn't play defense. Value: don't know till he comes back and plays a few games.

Post #15 » by **revprodeji** » Mon Sep 7, 2009 9:18 pm

He has lost a lot of weight this summer too. In order to play uptempo. I would argue that Love is the stronger player between Al and love and might be better set to guard big monster centers, then Al can be free to block weakside.

shrink · Post #16 » by **shrink** » Mon Sep 7, 2009 11:14 pm

B Calrissian wrote:I guess I really undervalue Jefferson. Is his value comparable to another player in the league?
Rev, I'll put a sober reading warning on top of the page when I make another trade thread.

The methodology is a shambles, so put as little weight into this as you want, but the Trade Board polled fans of all teams to make a Top 25 Most Valuable Players. The results landed Al in 12th

1. Lebron James
2. Dwight Howard
3. Chris Paul
4. Dwyane Wade
5. Kobe Bryant
6. Kevin Durant
7. Brandon Roy
8. Deron Williams
9. Derrick Rose
10. Carmelo Anthony
11. Tim Duncan
12. Al Jefferson
13. Dirk Nowitzki
14. Danny Granger
15. Chris Bosh
16. Pau Gasol
17. Kevin Garnett
18. Blake Griffin
19. Tony Parker
20. Devin Harris
21. Kevin Martin
22. Amare Stoudemire
23. Brook Lopez
24. O.J. Mayo