MIN/GSW

[Marc]

Trade Idea: Darius Songalia + Chucky Atkins for Ronny Turiaf + Speedy Claxton
Part a: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... eId=lk6gcs
Part b: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... eId=lu92nz
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Salaries: Songalia + Atkins = $8,006,000 - Turiaf + Claxton = $9,349,454
Details: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... Rug&gid=19 l http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... Rug&gid=11

Why for T-Wolves:
Salaries: Turiaf will make $818,000 less than Songalia in 2010/11 (if Songalia picks his PO which is likely). Most fans want to trade Songalia for an expiring contract but there are no teams looking to trade expiring contracts for larger deals. Turiaf is not expiring and has a PO in his 3rd year but he is worth his contract (i think) so he wouldn't count as a negative asset. T-Wolves would lose money for this season but they are all about next off-season.

Players: Turiaf is younger and better than Songalia. Claxton and Atkins are useless.

Why for Warriors:
Salaries: They save $4,063,454 (if they buyout Atkis, they would lose a roster space but Claxton is always injured anyway) for this season, lose $818,000 in next and save $4,360,000 for 11/12 (if Turiaf picks up his option). It is all about money for the Warriors. I said Turiaf has good value for Wolves but Warriors might prefer to have more cap space in 11/12 considering Ellis, Biedrins, Maggette and Jackson alone will make almost $40M.

Players: Songalia is worse than Turiaf but he still a decent backup. Warriors could also give more minutes to Brandan Wright.

[B Calrissian]

Turiaf is one of the team captains so I doubt they trade him just to save money.

[jade_hippo]

a fun thought, but i don't think Warriors do it. Turiaf is useful on and off the court to them. Songalia may not be of any use to them at all due to his relative inability to play C. (not sure at the stats on his PF to C differential but reading the Wizards board and seeing him play he isn't a very reliable option) and you need to be able to play up a position in Nelson's offense depending on the situation.

[Klomp]

Lets go a little more extreme:

Al/Rights to Rubio for Biedrins/Randolph.

[shrink]

I agree that Turiaf might not work for GSW, because of the value of his personality to the team. However, I like what you did on the simultaneous deals, and GSW is in the sweet spot for salary next year .. they won't have lux problems, but they won't have cap issues either - a financial fit for Songalia.

If GSW had a third team lined up, what I could see would be a deal like:

Songalia for Claxton
Atkins for Acie Law and Devean George

The three guys from GSW are unproductive and but expiring. The most valuable player in the deal is Atkins, because he can bring $2.72 mil of 2009 cap relief. If they were trying to find incentive to make a different move to a team over the lux, it might be worth it to make this trade to gain Atkins for incentive.

[younggunsmn]

I like your deal, and kudos on the simultaneous trades.

Turiaf could probably be flipped for an expiring for the right team too.

I think the Warriors pass easily though, Turiaf is the ONE guy who actually plays defense there, and they are not in a bad position with regard to the luxury tax. I think they're even getting insurance to pay for some of speedy claxton's contract.

[Marc]

I am thinking about adding some more trade ideas i have in this thread.

Here is a thought: Eddie Jordan could be interested in Songalia for Philadelphia because he used to coach him in Washington.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... Rug&gid=25

Trade idea: Songalia + Cash (maybe as much as the difference in salaries) for Willie Green. Green has a 2 years deal like Songalia but he will make around $850.000 less in 2010/11.

I think that deal is fair talent-wise too.

[gswhoop]

unfortunately the warriors believe that Turiaf is worth every bit of his contract and being teh first big man off the bench, tehy cant offer to lose him especially for someone more expensive and useless for the warriors as songalia.

FYI: I don't think Beans and AR can be talked about in a trade with the wolves without mentioning Love or Al.

AR is slowly becoming this teams franchise player and he's bound to prove it this upcoming season.

[C.lupus]

^Klomp's trade was Al/Rubio for Beans/AR