Shitz and giggles--Trade Rubio?

[rick32621]

Clipper fan here, so take it for what it's worth.

Clippers wouldn't trade Eric Gordon + Minny pick for Ricky Rubio.
Too much to give up.

Clippers wouldn't trade Eric Gordon and DeAndre Jordan for Ricky Rubio.
You may not think that this is a good deal, but if I was the Clippers, I'd trade Al Thornton + Minny pick for Ricky Rubio.

Al Thornton's a cut below Eric Gordon, but he's a slight cut below Rudy Gay and on the same level, if not above, Jeff Green. He's a one-dimensional scorer, and is a turnstile on defense, but as a second scorer behind Al Jefferson, he would flourish. He would also flourish in the running game that David Kahn wants. He's still under his rookie contract--he makes less than Rubio would make--so he'd be around a couple years before you have to make a decision.

Based on where Minnesota's headed now, the unprotected Minny pick in two years could easily become a Top 3-5. Minnesota would get a starting small forward now and have a high draft pick right around the time that Rubio's ready to come to the NBA.

[the_bruce]

Any scenario Rubio is traded for imo would be a move to "win now", as opposed to sit and wait for his value to increase. There's probably only a handful trades I can think of that would do this.

Most obvious being something with CHA

Wallace
for
filler + Rubio

Maybe toss in something for bell. Exp + Utah pick?

al
love
crash
bell
flynn/sessions

[skorff26]

I hope we don't trade him since I think he'll be better than flynn or sessions.

but if we trade rubio, my guess would be for a draft pick between #3-#7

-On a side note: I want nothing to do with Gay for Rubio, that's horrible value for us, especially if we want Gay we can just wait a year
Also I think Josh Smith is a bad fit on our team so I wouldn't want him either.

[Mcfale313]

why not let Mc...I mean Kahn trys out his dual PG backcourt experiment guys?

we dont have to trade Rubio, even if we want to retain Flynn and Sessions (which is still a question mark until Bucks made their mind), I think we could totally work out a four man backcourt Rotation between Rubio, Flynn, Sessions, and Ellington, our backcourt rotation two years from now would be



SG: Flynn (14) Sessions (14) Ellington (20)
PG: Rubio(27) Flynn(11) Sessions (10)

[Narf]

why not let Mc...I mean Kahn trys out his dual PG backcourt experiment guys?

we dont have to trade Rubio, even if we want to retain Flynn and Sessions (which is still a question mark until Bucks made their mind), I think we could totally work out a four man backcourt Rotation between Rubio, Flynn, Sessions, and Ellington, our backcourt rotation two years from now would be



SG: Flynn (14) Sessions (14) Ellington (20)
PG: Rubio(27) Flynn(11) Sessions (10)

There is no experiment. The Wolves suck, they don't have enough talent, and Kahn has done a damn good job of aquiring as much talent as possible on a terrible team in a short period of time. We did not want to resign Foye, Miller, Smith, and Telfair, so we got as much future talent and cap space as possible for them (and the #5 pick). I, personally, thought Thabeet should have been the #5 pick and was happy to see Rubio there instead. If you really don't see the value of taking the 2nd best player in the draft at #5 and stashing him overseas for 2 years then don't ask the Spurs about Ginobli and Robinson or the Celtics about some guy named Bird.

[mnWI]

Except the only people who think Rubio is clear-cut second best talent from the draft are fans from the internet. (Not saying Thabeet is either). Another myth I'm sick of hearing is that nobody knew Rubio would be there at 5. A front office person I spoke to a number of times had Rubio going between 4-8 two weeks before the draft, and slotted in at 5 a couple nights before the draft. He was not alone in this either.

[Narf]

Except the only people who think Rubio is clear-cut second best talent from the draft are fans from the internet.

Errr, that's not true. People were talking about trading #5 and #6 to get #2 so we could draft Rubio. Many articles have been published with people saying he was the 2nd best talent in the draft but his contract situation scared people away. I and many others had him as the #2 pick and people were talking about Memphis taking him #2 anyway.

You are welcome to disagree that he is the #2 talent, but before the draft he was as close to a consensus 2nd best talent player as there is. His contract situation is why he dropped, and that's the only reason.

[mnWI]

Except the only people who think Rubio is clear-cut second best talent from the draft are fans from the internet.

Errr, that's not true. People were talking about trading #5 and #6 to get #2 so we could draft Rubio. Many articles have been published with people saying he was the 2nd best talent in the draft but his contract situation scared people away. I and many others had him as the #2 pick and people were talking about Memphis taking him #2 anyway.

You are welcome to disagree that he is the #2 talent, but before the draft he was as close to a consensus 2nd best talent player as there is. His contract situation is why he dropped, and that's the only reason.

Yes, it is true. Sorry, but media reports don't tell the whole story. NBA front offices had intel weeks before the draft that Rubio could drop out of the top 3. The uncertainty surrounding his contract wasn't the lone reason he dropped either, and in fact it would have been less of an issue if he were drafted 2nd overall rather than 5th. I'll tell you one thing for sure, if Oklahoma City thought he was the second best prospect, he'd be playing there this season. But Sam Presti and crew didn't seem to think so.

Matter of fact, I just pulled this off of my hard drive, from 6/20/2009. It's a mock based on what I was hearing from a number of sources:
1. Blake
2. Thabeet
3. Harden
4. Flynn
5. Rubio
6. Curry
7. Evans/Hill
8. Holliday
9. DeRozan
10. Jennings
11. Hansbrough
12. Terrance Williams
13. DeJuan Blair

[shrink]

You may not think that this is a good deal, but if I was the Clippers, I'd trade Al Thornton + Minny pick for Ricky Rubio.

Al Thornton's a cut below Eric Gordon, but he's a slight cut below Rudy Gay and on the same level, if not above, Jeff Green.

Based on where Minnesota's headed now, the unprotected Minny pick in two years could easily become a Top 3-5.

Forgive this new poster. jgustav has been telling LAC fans to value the 2012 MIN pick like its Top Five, despite being ridiculed by all posters on the Trade Board for making that assumption so far in the future. rick, even if we knew where MIN was, they weren't Bottom Five this year, with Jefferson out, and I hope you'd see that with their youth, picks, and cap space, they are more likely headed to be better, not worse. As for Thorton >= Green, that's all on rick.

Good to see you Narf!

[the_bruce]

The fact is Rubio did all the things he could do to lower his draft stock.

1) complained more or less about draft position
2) buyout situation was not resolved
3) Didn't workout for the teams

These factors don't really help your draft position, and he and his agent did nothing to help the situation. As soon as they realized his stock was slipping he came over for meetings, but still was to "sick" to workout in SAC if I recall.

I was never, and still am not high on Rubio as I don't watch any euroball and only see clips of his play. He's certainly a very unique top level pg talent, but I'll just assume the wait and see approach as I dont mind him staying in europe to develop.

[karch34]

I have always liked the idea of Gordon from the Clipps. I do think the returned pick might be a tough sell depending on your point of view unless there was something additional from MN. Maybe instead of returning the pick we make it 2011 no protection. Clippers finally get a firm date on the pick and MN keeps their pick for one more year.

[Tekkenlaw]

I would do Jefferson for Granger in a heartbeat, they don't even need to throw in Hibbert but it would be nice.