MIN/GSW

[lewdog]

We were talking about him being a "go to" guy, not reasons for trading him.

Let me simplify for the confused, “NEVER trade a “go to” guy”.

I can respect that, but thats not what you were saying before. You were trying to make yourself seem more credible with your season ticket talk when it had nothing to do with what we were talking about.

Actually if you had any inference skills, you’d know that by attending games in person that you’d understand that I have some idea to what’s happening with the idiosyncrasies of each game.

[B Calrissian]

I doubt seeing each team 1-2 times a year lets you see as much as you make it seem.

[lewdog]

I doubt seeing each team 1-2 times a year lets you see as much as you make it seem.

How do you have time to back and forth with me?
Shouldn’t you be in the classroom breaking down the film?
You’re basketball wisdom is second to none.
Not only do you analyze trades, you also know WHERE to analyze and HOW MUCH to analyze. Amazing.

[B Calrissian]

What are you talking about?
I thought you were underrating AB and AR by quite a bit and called you out for trying to act like you are better than everyone that hasn't had season tickets for 10+ years.. What do either of those things have to do with my "basketball wisdom"?

And as far as the trade comment, we all do that here. It's realgm..

[old rem]

I don't think that Biedrins is at the same level as Al Jefferson.

Offensively, I would agree with you. However, on the defensive end, Biedrins has more potential. He had more rebounds per game than Jefferson in almost 7 less minutes per game last year.

I think Love and Biedrins is a combination that has more potential than Love and Jefferson.

If Randolph is a fraction of what Warriors fans think he is, that would be our dynamite wing we've been looking for since.....................Sprewell?

To the Wolves,Al Jeff's scoring is a key thing. To GSW,there's plenty of scorers and Biedrin's rebounds and D is the key. Also...Al Jeff just had a major injury.

Having got Curry...and having Ellis too, Rubio means less to GSW...and that's if he was actually HERE and Now rather than a maybe later guy. Randolph was pretty damn impressive as a 19 yr old, and is a rebounding F at 6-11 or 7-0. He's got some rough edges but currently is the only healthy PF. He seems able to play SF but has only done that a few times. GSW needs AR way...WAY more than they need Rubio (whenever).

Not all that surprised if the Wolves don't do it,though with Flynn + Sessions, they should go for Randolph now over Rubio later.

it won't happen. So,relax.

[old rem]

I would not QUITE say, "NEVER trade a "go-to" guy,but I'd say be damn reluctant. GSW has traded EVERY go-to guy they ever had...going back to Wilt Chamberlain. Damn few of those deals looked at all good in hindsight.

[shrink]

To the Wolves,Al Jeff's scoring is a key thing. To GSW,there's plenty of scorers and Biedrin's rebounds and D is the key.

OK, at least there's one thing in old rem's post I agree with.

Al Jefferson is a phenomenal low post scorer. Phenomenal. Personally, I don't think you trade him to fit the triangle .. you adjust the triangle to fit him, much like they did with Shaq. However, if we're going to consider trading him, you need to get full value for him. That means trading him to a team where Al Jefferson acutely fits the team's needs.

Rem's right that GSW desperately needs Biedrins defense. If we're going to trade our biggest star, that's not where he should go.

[jade_hippo]

I think Rambis did the team a great disservice installing an offense not centered around Al. He certainly is a phenominal low post scorer. I'm just scared he isn't quite as adaptable to differnt talent as Shaq is. I'm glad with the progress he has made so far, even the dropping a lot of weight to try to run more.by the time in his career Shaq was in the triangle, he had developed some other skills, most notably his passing and recognizing defenses. I don't think Al is quite on Shaqs level YET as far as those intangibles, regardless of him being every bit Shaqs equal in low post moves/scoring.

Shaq is a bit more adaptable than most players. I once read and article that said something along the lines of if Shaq was 5'3" he'd still be a player in the NBA and it was just a shame his drive was lacking and he squandered what physical gifts he was giving by taking them for granted. Mostly outlining things like looking at players with actual basketball talent and true drive to be a good player like Jordan/Bird/Garnett/Kobe compared to guys like Jermoe James and Eddy Curry who just play basketball because they are 7ft tall.

as far as Love being a go to player... ehhhhhhh. I'm pretty sure he will average more rebounds per game than points for his career unless he really starts to hone his outside shooting to the extreme and become a Dirk/Cardinal hybrid or crazy bulk up and become a strong center like an Unseld clone

[Steve_Holiday]

I don't think Al is quite on Shaqs level YET as far as those intangibles, regardless of him being every bit Shaqs equal in low post moves/scoring.

Shaq averaged over 26ppg for 10 seasons.

Also, I don't think it makes sense to throw Rubio in any trade right now. Unless he fails to develop in Europe, he has the lowest value right now than he will ever have. I think one of our first round picks next year has more value than the right to negotiate a contract with Rubio in 2.5 years.

[john2jer]

I've gradually changed my stance on this subject, and have now been completely on board with trading Al Jefferson for talented pieces that fit the system and increase our chances of being a successful franchise, but when in the hell did the rest of you jump, and when did Big Al's value drop to AB and AR with us having to toss in Rubio?

[john2jer]

Furthermore, there's been a ton of bad AJ trade ideas around here lately. What gives?

[Biff Cooper]

Furthermore, there's been a ton of bad AJ trade ideas around here lately. What gives?

and when did Big Al's value drop to AB and AR with us having to toss in Rubio?

I've been real confused lately too. Al is four games with limited minutes back from a torn ACL rehab, and a bunch of people seem willing to ship him off for 50-60 cents on the dollar.

1. He is still by far the best player on the Wolves or at least he will be when he gets back fully healthy. Better than Love. Better than Flynn. Better than Sessions. He currently is really lacking explosion. Give him some time to play back into shape.

2. I personally think it is stupid to bring in a new GM, new coach, new system where your best player's game becomes a hinderance to what you are trying to do. I am giving them the benefit of the doubt and think they have some sorta hybrid triangle offense in mind eventually that will be motion based for stretches of the game, and still give Al post up opportunities at certain stretches of the game or when matchups dictate. The motion should not completely stop on the post-up though and Al needs to improve his passing to make this work.

3. The last couple of games, Al is getting double and triple teamed as soon as he gets the ball in the post. From what I've seen, he has done a fairly good job of kicking out the ball on the double team. If we had some actual shooters on this team, teams would pay for doubling and tripling him.

[Esohny]

Furthermore, there's been a ton of bad AJ trade ideas around here lately. What gives?

and when did Big Al's value drop to AB and AR with us having to toss in Rubio?

I've been real confused lately too. Al is four games with limited minutes back from a torn ACL rehab, and a bunch of people seem willing to ship him off for 50-60 cents on the dollar.

1. He is still by far the best player on the Wolves or at least he will be when he gets back fully healthy. Better than Love. Better than Flynn. Better than Sessions. He currently is really lacking explosion. Give him some time to play back into shape.

2. I personally think it is stupid to bring in a new GM, new coach, new system where your best player's game becomes a hinderance to what you are trying to do. I am giving them the benefit of the doubt and think they have some sorta hybrid triangle offense in mind eventually that will be motion based for stretches of the game, and still give Al post up opportunities at certain stretches of the game or when matchups dictate. The motion should not completely stop on the post-up though and Al needs to improve his passing to make this work.

3. The last couple of games, Al is getting double and triple teamed as soon as he gets the ball in the post. From what I've seen, he has done a fairly good job of kicking out the ball on the double team. If we had some actual shooters on this team, teams would pay for doubling and tripling him.

Agreed. He has actually done a decent job of hitting cutters, but nobody is finishing the play.

[revprodeji]

Once again...

When Love returns and he is the high post/pinch passer Al can simply spot up on the initial low block, or flash to the front of the hope and finish. Jefferson is fine with those plays. The triangle was adapted for Shaq, it can be changed for Al. It is a motion-based offense and tweaks can happen.

[Mattya]

I made the NJ-MN trade thread. If any of my friends posted on here they would tell you how big a fan of Big Al, and even Rubio I am. Big Al has looked better than expected coming back from surgery, but its only my opinion the Brook Lopez has potential to be a more valuable player with our current team and direction. I will admit I had a little Lopez fever yesterday but, In my opinion the very last trade I proposed in there was very close to being workable if not very good for us. The hard thing about trading with NJ is even though they get the better talent, we are trading them players at positions they really don't need help at, so you have to overpay. I just can't imagine any team outside of orlando and boston being able to guard our pick and roll and pick and pop plays if we had Lopez, Love, and Flynn on the court together. Ok, don't want to hijack anything, just explaining my point of view, as far as this trade goes. I would probably say no, as I am not a fan of Biendrins contract. Randolph would also have great potential on this team but not at the sake of that contract.

[old rem]

I've gradually changed my stance on this subject, and have now been completely on board with trading Al Jefferson for talented pieces that fit the system and increase our chances of being a successful franchise, but when in the hell did the rest of you jump, and when did Big Al's value drop to AB and AR with us having to toss in Rubio?

How about when Big Al missed the last part of the season with a major injury...or when Randolph ended the season with a run of averaging 15 pt,11 reb and a couple blocks...as a 19 yr old.
with Rubio having NOT played in the states,and a guy who wasn't that dazzling on the stat sheet relative to highlight clips, there's a bit of doubt. Nellie prefers Curry. Real big...Randolph is the starter NOW. Rubio may not be in the NBA until.....well......who really knows? Al is a great POWER F. GSW has a PF now who is good and can be VERY good...and he's affordable. For the 4 Al Jeff costs GSW has TWO good bigs...lots of rebounds and D. How the Wolves see their needs...is their business. GSW is not even close to doing this deal.

[john2jer]

I've gradually changed my stance on this subject, and have now been completely on board with trading Al Jefferson for talented pieces that fit the system and increase our chances of being a successful franchise, but when in the hell did the rest of you jump, and when did Big Al's value drop to AB and AR with us having to toss in Rubio?

How about when Big Al missed the last part of the season with a major injury...or when Randolph ended the season with a run of averaging 15 pt,11 reb and a couple blocks...as a 19 yr old.
with Rubio having NOT played in the states,and a guy who wasn't that dazzling on the stat sheet relative to highlight clips, there's a bit of doubt. Nellie prefers Curry. Real big...Randolph is the starter NOW. Rubio may not be in the NBA until.....well......who really knows? Al is a great POWER F. GSW has a PF now who is good and can be VERY good...and he's affordable. For the 4 Al Jeff costs GSW has TWO good bigs...lots of rebounds and D. How the Wolves see their needs...is their business. GSW is not even close to doing this deal.

I never said GSW should do this deal. Jefferson doesn't fit with whatever circles they're trying to run over in Oakland. But there's also no chance in hell that the Wolves trade Jefferson and Rubio for AB and AR. You love to hang on that amazing stat line that Randolph put out in 7 games at the end of the season, but remember, it was 7 freakin games.

Glad to see your reading comprehension is still garbage, though.

[C.lupus]

and Randolph has picked up this season right where he left off

Oh wait...10 ppg/5.5rpg/1asp/.308 fg% in his first two games

[john2jer]

and Randolph has picked up this season right where he left off

Oh wait...10 ppg/5.5rpg/1asp/.308 fg% in his first two games

HALL!
OF!
FAME!

[Esohny]

and Randolph has picked up this season right where he left off

Oh wait...10 ppg/5.5rpg/1asp/.308 fg% in his first two games

HALL!
OF!
FAME!

I hope you're not disparaging "MagicAmareKG" Randolph, GOAT, with an amazing singing voice to boot.