Rubio for Rudy

[Marty McFly]

It's amazing how high some of you are on Rubio, saying he's worth a top 3 pick in this years draft or a superstar. I like Rubio as much as the next guy, but you can't expect him to come into his rookie season and have similar success to Jennings. I hope Ricky can exceed your high expectations.....

I would put money on it that if Portland offered a package of Rudy/future 1st, or Rudy/Bayless, Kahn would pull the trigger.

I sure as hell wouldn't call Rudy a scrub, the guy is very underrated, and I would absolutely LOVE to have him on the Nets as the starting SG.

and don't say its not an inadequacy you feel in comparing the wolves with the knicks.this guy is a net fan and he got what from you guys? nothing.
we're not a conference rival, and we're just as bad a team, so what's the point of baiting me? i think i know...

[john2jer]

Revolver? Huh? I'm having a hard time understanding what your point is. You reach in a few areas without proof and ignore direct quotes made by Rubio. And you ramble, constantly.

Where does inadequacy come from? I'm confused on that one.

I think any level-headed Wolves fan would agree that Rudy Fernandez has talent, and is a good SG. But he's not what we're looking for in a trade for Rubio. You seem to completely miss the obvious.

1. Wolves aren't looking to trade Ricky Rubio.
2. If they were to trade him, because of #1, it would take a huge over-pay to get him.
3. Because of #2, you won't see Rubio traded anytime soon.

I don't understand why that's so tough to grasp. It's not so much what Rubio's ACTUAL value is, it's that the Wolves won't trade him unless they got some stupidly over-paying deal, which due to him not coming over until, AT THE EARLIEST, 2011, no team is going to offer.

Wolves don't have to trade him. They don't want to trade him. They're content with waiting.

Maybe a comparison would make it easier to understand. What do you think Gallo's ACTUAL trade value is? Could you see the Knicks trading him for that? Or would it take an over-pay to get him? As an outsider, I think it would take a heck of a lot more than Gallo's actually worth for the Knicks to think about trading him because of his potential.

Another comparison would be Kobe Bryant. What's his actual value? According to the trade board about a month ago he was like 5th. Outside of LeBron, could you see the Lakers trade him for any of the other 3 guys above him? It was Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, and Dwyane Wade.

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Now can you see the Lakers trading Kobe Bryant for any of those three? It would take a gross over-pay to get them to trade Kobe.

Now I'm not saying Kobe and Rubio have anywhere near similar value. But I'm hoping that example would make it easier for you to understand what I mean by Rubio having more value to the Wolves than he could actually fetch in a trade. Most of the garbage offers we see are on the premise that the Wolves should be looking to improve their immediate product on the floor, which shows a lack of understanding of the Wolves direction, future, and situation.

Hope that clears it up.

[john2jer]

And Revolver, who's baiting you? I don't see anyone going to the Knicks board taking shots at you. Or trolling you. But I see you here quite a bit with uneducated/uninformed comments.

[lobishome]

I'm not worried about the first sesion of Rubio, in two or three games he will be adapted to the nba's play, time to time.

But I'm not sure if the rest of the team will be adapted for catch his assists, because they are used to play with PG with ONE assist in a game, and the Ricky asisst not are easy catch them.

I promise you that I'm not trying to offend you, but Ricky now is playing for a team a lot of better than Wolves. I repeat, I'm not trying to trolling, I think is the truth, and he was the game's MVP in his first game with Barça.

I absolutely convinced that Rubio will be great great great. I haven't any doubt.

[john2jer]

I promise you that I'm not trying to offend you, but Ricky now is playing for a team a lot of better than Wolves. I repeat, I'm not trying to trolling, I think is the truth, and he was the game's MVP in his first game with Barça.

That might actually be true, right now.

[Devilzsidewalk]

I promise you that I'm not trying to offend you, but Ricky now is playing for a team a lot of better than Wolves. I repeat, I'm not trying to trolling, I think is the truth, and he was the game's MVP in his first game with Barça.

That might actually be true, right now.

I can't argue

[Paladin55]

Have you guys put yourself into a hole because you have Flynn inked for 5 years, Sessions for 4, and you can't showcase Rubio's skills in an NBA game because you can't even get him into your uniform? And what are you going to do even if Rubio decides to come over? Everyone who understands the game of BB knows that none of these guys can actually play big minutes together.

Right now you are actually hurting Sessions' value by giving him the minutes he is presently getting. Rubio is doing OK in Europe, but there will still be teams who have some doubt in the back of their minds that he can play NBA ball, and you also have to figure that Rubio will not just play in any NBA venue. Add to this the fact that next year you also have some young PGs coming out in the draft, and you may find that there is not as great of a market for Rubio as you had hoped for.

Kahn may have put himself into a situation where he is not in the driver's seat after all. Rubio's perceived value might be at its highest at this time, yet teams also know that they may not be able to get him on the floor for awhile, and that he may not want to play on the team that can make the best deal with Minny. Meanwhile Sessions has not hit a 3 and has almost as many turnovers/game as he has assists, and not only is his value plummeting, but his contribution to the Wolves is minimal.

I would not trade Rubio for Rudy, but you may have to come to terms that you are not going get the value that you are expecting for Ricky.

[Krapinsky]

Have you guys put yourself into a hole because you have Flynn inked for 5 years, Sessions for 4, and you can't showcase Rubio's skills in an NBA game because you can't even get him into your uniform? And what are you going to do even if Rubio decides to come over? Everyone who understands the game of BB knows that none of these guys can actually play big minutes together.

Right now you are actually hurting Sessions' value by giving him the minutes he is presently getting. Rubio is doing OK in Europe, but there will still be teams who have some doubt in the back of their minds that he can play NBA ball, and you also have to figure that Rubio will not just play in any NBA venue. Add to this the fact that next year you also have some young PGs coming out in the draft, and you may find that there is not as great of a market for Rubio as you had hoped for.

Kahn may have put himself into a situation where he is not in the driver's seat after all. Rubio's perceived value might be at its highest at this time, yet teams also know that they may not be able to get him on the floor for awhile, and that he may not want to play on the team that can make the best deal with Minny. Meanwhile Sessions has not hit a 3 and has almost as many turnovers/game as he has assists, and not only is his value plummeting, but his contribution to the Wolves is minimal.

I would not trade Rubio for Rudy, but you may have to come to terms that you are not going get the value that you are expecting for Ricky.

Then again, we might get more. You can't really refute it either way, can you? When that bridge comes, we'll cross it.

[Steve_Holiday]

Rubio's perceived value might be at its highest at this time

this is the exact opposite of reality. Rubio's value right now is most likely the lowest it will ever be: He's currently worth:

[(probability of success*success)/(1+nba discount rate)^3] - $ to sign him as a free agent).

thanks for sharing your thoughts, though.

Meanwhile Sessions has not hit a 3 and has almost as many turnovers/game as he has assists, and not only is his value plummeting, but his contribution to the Wolves is minimal.

...what does Sessions have to do with Ricky Rubio??

[john2jer]

Sessions isn't a three point shooter. He never has been, and likely won't ever be one. He just flat out doesn't take that shot.