[New Article] Minnesota one of Tmac's landing spot?

[Tirion]

lol at thinking that getting Ti-Mac will net this team more wins. He's been a net negative on the court for a while now.

[big3_8_19_21]

btw, this article states pretty clearly that these are just ideas, not rumors.

[Guy986]

Think there's any chance we could get a future 1st out of this if we include Gomes?

Knowing Kahn, theres a chance.

No chance.

Houston would rather have pure expiring than expiring + Gomes.

[shangrila]

Why? Gomes is productive and his contract is only guaranteed for a million next season. It's not a "pure" expiring but considering he can actually play most would consider it better.

[Guy986]

Meh, Gnomes isn't gonna get minutes over Scola or Landry. Houston will take him if Minny insist but Houston will probably be happier with just expirings. Definitely won't include a first rounder to trade for Gnomes.

[invno1]

I view this idea as helping Rockets break down the 23 million into pieces where smaller deals can be made. It's very difficult to get correct value back from 23 when it's broke down it seems....well how long till Houston could turn around and trade these smaller expirings? 30 days? Minnesota profits while being able to sell alot of tickets for the curious.....It could be an 20011 or 2012 pick I would think but the pick prolly isnt that far fetched if Rockets can do something with these smaller contracts.

[funkatron101]

I view this idea as helping Rockets break down the 23 million into pieces where smaller deals can be made. It's very difficult to get correct value back from 23 when it's broke down it seems....well how long till Houston could turn around and trade these smaller expirings? 30 days? Minnesota profits while being able to sell alot of tickets for the curious.....It could be an 20011 or 2012 pick I would think but the pick prolly isnt that far fetched if Rockets can do something with these smaller contracts.

Would they even have enough time to move these pieces after the trade went down? I would think they would straight up cut them.

I've been in favor of a trade like this for a while. I'm not fan of McGrady, but I don't see much of a downside here, especially considering the players involved.

[moss_is_1]

Meh, Gnomes isn't gonna get minutes over Scola or Landry. Houston will take him if Minny insist but Houston will probably be happier with just expirings. Definitely won't include a first rounder to trade for Gnomes.

Gomes is a sf. He can shoot better than Ariza.

[shrink]

Meh, Gnomes isn't gonna get minutes over Scola or Landry. Houston will take him if Minny insist but Houston will probably be happier with just expirings. Definitely won't include a first rounder to trade for Gnomes.

Guy is right in his overall direction, but I think he's mistating the case.

1. Gomes has value. He's a productive, flexible player on a very good contract, and he has more value than an expiring.

2. However, in this case, Gomes wouldn't be replaced by an expiring - he'd be replaced by raw cap space.

The deal without Gomes gives HOU a $4.5 mil TPE. HOU is $2.9 mil over the lux, so this deal would save them 4.5 + 2.9 + 4.6 (lux share) = $12 million dollars.

The deal with Gomes gives HOU a $0.6 mil TPE. This means they'd save 0.6 + 0.6 = $1.2 mil

Gomes is a good player, and worth his contract, but he is not worth the $10.8 mil difference.


Moreover, since Gomes is an asset to MIN, on the floor or in trade, it makes more sense that MIN hold onto him.

[shrink]

This deal creates enough additional trade value to work for both teams. But is the distribution of this value fair?

FOR HOU: They won't play McGrady, so whatever they get out of the Wilkins package is better on the court, and $12 mil is certainly better for the owner. HOU will be forced to cut a player

FOR MIN: McGrady will provide more on the floor than Wilkins, but the deal costs Glen Taylor not just $4.5 mil, but $4.5 mil of 2009-10 cap space. McGrady may bring more people through the gate, but I don't think it will be that much. HOU receives far more from this trade than MIN.


I feel HOU should at least include $3 mil of the cash they will save, to cut into the $4.5 mil of cap space. But I also think they need to find some other incentive. There aren't a whole lot of teams that would be willing to give up that cap space, and have the expirings to make it happen for an expensive player with as many question marks as McGrady.

[big3_8_19_21]

What else could they include? A 2011 second rounder?

[Krapinsky]

This deal creates enough additional trade value to work for both teams. But is the distribution of this value fair?

FOR HOU: They won't play McGrady, so whatever they get out of the Wilkins package is better on the court, and $12 mil is certainly better for the owner. HOU will be forced to cut a player

FOR MIN: McGrady will provide more on the floor than Wilkins, but the deal costs Glen Taylor not just $4.5 mil, but $4.5 mil of 2009-10 cap space. McGrady may bring more people through the gate, but I don't think it will be that much. HOU receives far more from this trade than MIN.


I feel HOU should at least include $3 mil of the cash they will save, to cut into the $4.5 mil of cap space. But I also think they need to find some other incentive. There aren't a whole lot of teams that would be willing to give up that cap space, and have the expirings to make it happen for an expensive player with as many question marks as McGrady.

Shrink a dink --

Can you explain the $4.5 million cap hit you are referring to for us capamateurs?

[shrink]

This deal creates enough additional trade value to work for both teams. But is the distribution of this value fair?

FOR HOU: They won't play McGrady, so whatever they get out of the Wilkins package is better on the court, and $12 mil is certainly better for the owner. HOU will be forced to cut a player

FOR MIN: McGrady will provide more on the floor than Wilkins, but the deal costs Glen Taylor not just $4.5 mil, but $4.5 mil of 2009-10 cap space. McGrady may bring more people through the gate, but I don't think it will be that much. HOU receives far more from this trade than MIN.


I feel HOU should at least include $3 mil of the cash they will save, to cut into the $4.5 mil of cap space. But I also think they need to find some other incentive. There aren't a whole lot of teams that would be willing to give up that cap space, and have the expirings to make it happen for an expensive player with as many question marks as McGrady.

Shrink a dink --

Can you explain the $4.5 million cap hit you are referring to for us capamateurs?

I'm probably just describing it badly. Sorry - let me give it another shot

In the deal, the Wolves add $4.5 mil to their payroll, and the Rockets remove $4.5 to their payroll. The differentiation I'm trying to make here for the Wolves is that they aren't throwing in $4.5 mil of cash, which any team could do (well, NBA rules limit it to $3 mil, but bear with me). They are paying $4.5 mil in the form of increased 2009-10 payroll. This is giving up a far more rare commodity, because payroll is subject to lux considerations, and payroll is something most teams wouldn't trade, even if they had the mechanism.

For example, it sounds like the Bulls would like T-Mac, but if they include more than $200,000 in cap space into a deal, they put themselves over the lux. If we assume that a team over the lux wouldn't pay the $2.9 mil in 2009-10 payroll, that eliminates 14 trade partners currently over the lux, and four more teams that are just under the lux. I would probably also remove IND, because they are so close ($3.2) that its doubtful they could find a deal that fit well enough to keep them from spilling over. You've only got a third of the NBA teams possible before you start worrying about whether they have the pieces or interest to even match T-Mac's deal.

Anyway, what I'm trying to get across is MIN has $8 mil in 2009-10 space under the lux, and turning it into TPE's for the many teams that need lux help is a valuable commodity. This trade uses up half of it, and combines it into an untradable player. Sure, maybe we just assume Glen Taylor would drop $4.5 mil in cash to acquire T-Mac, but do we want to use up all that tradable 2009-10 salary relief space on the deal too?

[Krapinsky]

I got my years mixed up. I was thinking 2009-2010 was next year. My bad.

[Klomp]

Wolves boss David Kahn has thought about acquiring available Tracy McGrady for the rest of the season if he can get an asset in return. But approaching that $23.2 million salary with matching contracts is nearly impossible, even with the expiring contracts of Brian Cardinal and Mark Blount (nearly $15 million combined).

Antonio Daniels' $5.8 million contract is off the table because the Wolves bought him out early this season.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolve ... anchO7DiUr