Small Sessions trade (Por/NJ/MN)

post0115 · Post #1 » by **post0115** » Fri Jan 1, 2010 2:11 am

NJ gets: Steve Blake (exp. for 2010 FA)
Por gets: R. Sessions
MN gets: K. Dooling and Dal 1st rd pick owned by NJ

Dooling has about the same talent as Sessions, his contract lines up for when we should get Rubio, and we get Dallas pick for getting NJ more cap room.

Post #2 » by **revprodeji** » Fri Jan 1, 2010 2:28 am

If you think Doolings is equal in talent as Sessions then you should probably get off the computer and watch more basketball.

Slum_Dillinger · Post #3 » by **Slum_Dillinger** » Fri Jan 1, 2010 2:36 am

maybe if we can send you to Portland with Sessions.

Post #4 » by **revprodeji** » Fri Jan 1, 2010 2:45 am

slightly uncalled for slum

southern wolf · Post #5 » by **southern wolf** » Fri Jan 1, 2010 3:49 am

Sessions is definitely better than Dooling, but with the first rounder thrown in I don't think it's that far off.

younggunsmn · Post #6 » by **younggunsmn** » Fri Jan 1, 2010 3:50 am

I don't think any of the 3 teams do this. Portland has miller already with bayless in the wings. Blake is a better fit as a good outside shooter and also an expiring.

Dooling is fairly worthless, but he is only guaranteed 500k for next year, which makes him better than an expiring because as an unguaranteed deal a team can save 3.3 million on next year's cap by dealing for him. But for the Nyets it's all about 2010 cap room and tanking for wall/favors, which makes blake a poor fit, much less throwing in a pick.

For the wolves, I don't know if we sell sessions already for a 1st rounder in the 20's. The extra cap room makes it tempting though.

Post #7 » by **revprodeji** » Fri Jan 1, 2010 4:03 am

Dallas' first rd pick is not worth much. I think Sessions is worth much more.

Slum_Dillinger · Post #8 » by **Slum_Dillinger** » Fri Jan 1, 2010 10:03 am

revprodeji wrote:slightly uncalled for slum

I thought sending him to NJ would be both cruel and unusual.

Perhaps i stepped the line. My bad

Foye · Post #9 » by **Foye** » Fri Jan 1, 2010 3:18 pm

Clear no.

Narf · Post #10 » by **Narf** » Sat Jan 2, 2010 6:27 pm

If Dallas's pick = Paul George then I'm all for it

Narf · Post #11 » by **Narf** » Sat Jan 2, 2010 8:31 pm

This isn't so far off, actually.

Minnesota gets Dooling, Dallas's 1st and NJ's 2nd.
NJ gets Sessions and 2 of our 2nd rounders (which will be much later than NJs).

We get 2 picks in the 25-32 range, they get a legit guard to pair with Harris (or possibly replace him, as Harris is way overpaid). NJ still has a ton of cap space and has a good player on a good contract that they would sign in a heartbeat in the off season.

wolves_fan_82au · Post #12 » by **wolves_fan_82au** » Sat Jan 2, 2010 9:52 pm

blazers should give us mills

38 points 12 assists 3 rebounds 3 steals 1 turnover in hes debut d-league game yesterday after 6 months of with abroken foot

Ojmayo · Post #13 » by **Ojmayo** » Sat Jan 2, 2010 10:03 pm

We're willing to give you another person with a S.

shrink · Post #14 » by **shrink** » Sun Jan 3, 2010 12:57 pm

I think its close.

It'd be nice to know when the deadline on Dooling's $500,000 buy-out arrived. If it was before the summer moritorium, like Gomes, he'd have a lot less value than if it was afterward, like Stackhouse. For a Stackhouse-timed deal, Dooling would be useful for a team trying to cut some money. My guess that since NJN is including the DAL pick (which at a minimum, we could sell for $3 mil), its timed like Gomes.

Sessions is a player with some value, but even eating the $500,000, it would still add almost $3.5 mil to the 2010 free agent. I think its pretty close, and feel Sessions is worth an expiring and a late 1st.

shangrila · Post #15 » by **shangrila** » Sun Jan 3, 2010 1:57 pm

I still think, with the lack of quality point guards in the upcoming draft, that Sessions best use would be trading up with a team in the mid to late lottery who needs a point guard. So this is a no from me.

Post #16 » by **revprodeji** » Sun Jan 3, 2010 8:40 pm

I agree with shangrilla. We need to quit watering down assets. The dallas 1st is not as valuable as Sessions. This is a weak pg draft and I could see a team in the teens wanting him.

I personally keep him, i like having him off the bench. Good teams have good back up pg play.

younggunsmn · Post #17 » by **younggunsmn** » Mon Jan 4, 2010 12:24 am

I agree that I would like to keep him as backup PG rather than trade for a pick, I disagree that he's worth a pick in the teens.
Last year's draft filled alot of holes at PG, if teams had thought he was worth a mid-1st and was a starting PG, then they would have signed him outright for more than we did. And like it or not his value has taken a bit of a hit league-wide with his minutes decreasing.

younggunsmn · Post #18 » by **younggunsmn** » Mon Jan 4, 2010 12:29 am

Shrink, to clarify on Dooling there is no deadline on Dooling's guarantee, a team can cut him anytime up to the Jan deadline for deals to be fully guaranteed and realize the savings (IE same situation as Atkins).

shrink · Post #19 » by **shrink** » Mon Jan 4, 2010 1:36 am

younggunsmn wrote:Shrink, to clarify on Dooling there is no deadline on Dooling's guarantee, a team can cut him anytime up to the Jan deadline for deals to be fully guaranteed and realize the savings (IE same situation as Atkins).

Thanks. That could make him a valuable asset -- not as valuable as the raw cap space though. It might make sense to send him to a team that isn't under the salary cap.

Post #20 » by **revprodeji** » Mon Jan 4, 2010 5:32 am

younggunsmn wrote:I agree that I would like to keep him as backup PG rather than trade for a pick, I disagree that he's worth a pick in the teens.
Last year's draft filled alot of holes at PG, if teams had thought he was worth a mid-1st and was a starting PG, then they would have signed him outright for more than we did. And like it or not his value has taken a bit of a hit league-wide with his minutes decreasing.

Supply and demand me boy. A team that did not grab a pg last year will need one now.

Other teams?

Indy
NY
Utah
LAL
Maybe Atlanta

Sessions might not have the "value" of a mid first rd pick, but there are not a lot of available pg's.