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Re: Most likely to be traded (in the future) 

Post#81 » by C.lupus » Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:02 pm

IAmTheTruth wrote:
It's not fair value. Granger/Pekovic might be better than Johnson/Jefferson but that doesn't mean you throw Al away for pennies on the dollar. Turner/Granger/Pekovic is a heck of a lot better than Brewer/Granger/Pekovic,too.



Are you missing the part where I said "as long as the pick isn't first or second"? Obviously I don't do the trade if we land Wall or Turner. Granger is much better fit for our team than Al is, and outside of maybe 3 players in this draft, nothing is going to improve our team more than trading the pick and Al for Granger and then letting Pekovic slide into the starting lineup.

Yeah, sorry I missed the "or 2nd" part. Maybe a pick swap would work if we had around #3 and they had around #7? Indy could have Al and Johnson/Aminu. IDK, I think I'd rather go after Deng, Iggy, or Gay if the price is as teep as you say, though.
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Re: Most likely to be traded (in the future) 

Post#82 » by horaceworthy » Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:18 pm

IAmTheTruth wrote:Fair enough, but it's not overpaying in my opinion. It only appears to be overpaying. Granger has more value than Al, and nothing is likely to change that. What are we going to do with a guy like Favors? We have no use for him. We need scoring wings. If Love and Jefferson can't play at the same time for at least 35 minutes then one of them has to go. It's counter productive to split minutes between them while we are so extremely weak at other positions. You can't pay a guy 10+ million a year to play half the game. That's how bad teams are made.

This is not a final solution, just an idea to improve the team.

It is overpaying IMO, not just giving off the appearance of it. Granger may have more value than Al right now (personally I'd rather have Al), but even if he does, it isn't set in stone. Al's a year younger than Granger and coming off of a major knee injury, yet his value is comparable to Granger. There could be quite a shift there if Al gets healthy and working with Rambis n' co. improves his D and he starts making quicker decisions with the ball. It wouldn't take that much improvement for him to pass up Granger. As I said in my previous post, trading Al this summer would likely result in us selling low on him (mismanaging an asset, which is another way bad teams are made).

I don't see why Favors gets brought into this, in no way, shape or form are we locked into picking him if we land outside the top 2. We need wing scoring, as you said, I don't know why we wouldn't try to find that in the draft, free agency, or trading Al by his lonesome (or w/ a smaller asset than a high lottery pick).

If we trade Jefferson, then we leave our frontcourt pretty weak. Love and Hollins would be the only guys under contract next season. We'd need that high lotto pick to replace Al. We can't afford to be tossing it around willy-nilly by including it with Al for, as Worm Guts aptly put it, a borderline All-Star (another way bad teams are made).

I also think it's foolish to choose Love over Jefferson right now. Love's shown promise, but I wouldn't make that decision until Love shows that he can get in better shape.

I wouldn't be averse to an Al/Granger trade, for the sake of balancing the roster. Given Al's likely value at the moment, I wouldn't be that disappointed if they added a small asset (like the Utah pick, or, depending on how the lotto shakes out, a pick swap) to get it done. I just don't think Danny Granger is the type of player you sell the farm for.
"A while back,'' Cardinal said, "I took a picture of the standings and texted it to Love, just to bust his chops,'' Cardinal said. "He sent me a picture back of a snowdrift.''
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Re: Most likely to be traded (in the future) 

Post#83 » by m2002brian » Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:33 pm

It's fairly obvious Al doesn't fit into an uptempo, passing style game (more Euro). Al's slow and never passes. Kahn said it pretty clearly last night during the game about the style of play Rambis wants to run. I don't see Al fitting in with a PG like Rubio, the way Rubio pushes the tempo.
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