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Re: My Mock Offseason 

Post#41 » by Dewey » Sat Apr 24, 2010 12:46 pm

1. Get a starting calber PG and SG to start the season.
Hopefully Wall, otherwise well need to go another year with the Fin.
Even if it's a mid to late round 1 or FA, there better SG's out there.
2. Get a big man that can run the floor. I can't handle watching or bigs lumber up & down the floor.
I suppose Hollins should count, but....
FInd a big that even "wants" to run ... Al doesn't seem interested, Love & Milicic will some

I'm not real fussy, but I have grown tired of horrible defense most of all. Flynn makes Terrell Brandon look like the Ron Artest of PG's. It all starts up top and this is one of the primary reasons Wall would be great ... much less of a defensive liability to the team.
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Re: My Mock Offseason 

Post#42 » by shangrila » Sat Apr 24, 2010 2:40 pm

Alright, my attempt at a half serious one:

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#2 Evan Turner - obvious
Trade #16 and #23 for a higher pick to get Donatas Montiejunas. Fits into the Triangle and as he likely won't be coming over until the same year as Rubio, would make for one hell of a rookie class for the Wolves. Also gives the team a chance to decide between Love and Jefferson.
2nd rounders - Don't care, although there could be value there. If Hobson is there they should take him, otherwise they should take a chance on Mikhail Torrance or, if he's gone, Lance Stephenson.

Free agency
* Resign Darko, 5 million a year for 3-4 years - Obvious
* Sign Travis Outlaw, 4-5 million a year for 4 years - Doubt Childress comes back to the NBA for less money and a losing team, so Outlaw wins out here. Athletic, has experience in the playoffs and taking (and making) big shots. Don't know about IQ for the Triangle, but everything else fits. Promise of a chance to start should lure him in.
* Sign Tony Allen, 2.5 million for however long - With 6 players equaling a whopping 63 million for Boston, the chances they try and top this is slim. He's athletic, a good defender and has some nice experience. Could be one of those young veterans that got talked about.

Other - A few things that I don't know where to put:
* In this scenario the team would need to pursue another small forward and there are a few options for that. Some have been high on Morrow but I don't think he's a small forward, so he's out. I'd actually really like the team to pursue Bill Walker. Had some success with New York last year, is technically not a free agent (i think?) but might be given up if other team needs pop up. He seems like the kind of guy that would excel with Rubio.
* Another option is apparently Michael Beasley, who recent rumours (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2010/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=beasleygame3-100423) suggest could be dumped to be rid of his salary. Now he hasn't had the greatest of careers but considering his potential I'd say it's worth it. Would be another guy that could excel with Rubio.
* If neither happen, pursue whoever. If Gomes wants to come back for cheaper he's an option, otherwise guys like Miller would do.


Lineup:

PG - Flynn, Sessions, Allen(?)
SG - Turner, Brewer, Ellington
SF - Outlaw, Beasley/Walker/whoever
PF - Jefferson, Love
C - Darko, Hollins, Steimsma

Next year = Rubio and Montiejunas

IR = 2nd rounders - Hobson, Stephenson, etc

Didn't know where to put Allen and that might be a problem. Could see him beating out guys like Brewer and maybe even cutting into Sessions time, but is that something the team wants? He's not exactly critical so he can be dumped if people think his signing is excessive.
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Re: My Mock Offseason 

Post#43 » by Twolves98 » Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:23 am

This is my perfect offseason... Im looking to build a team around Ricky Rubio and the triangle

1) Resign Darko to around 3-4 million (10 million left in cap room)
2) Sign and trade Al Jefferson + 2nd round picks to Memphis for Rudy Gay
3) Draft turner will the 2nd pick and trade Flynn to move up and grab Aldrich and stanley Robinson with the last pick.
4) Get Pekovic over here
5) Sign Anthony Morrow
6) Sign Travis outlaw to 1 year 4 million contract

PG- Sessions/ Turner (Rubio)
SG- Turner/ Morrow/ Ellington
SF- Gay/ Brewer/ Outlaw
PF- Lover/ Robinson/ Pekovic
C - Milicic/ Aldrich

I think this gives us a chance to build around young talent and a successful triangle offense
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Re: My Mock Offseason 

Post#44 » by shangrila » Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:41 am

Why sign Pekovic and Outlaw to be 3rd strings?
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Re: My Mock Offseason 

Post#45 » by gensu3k1 » Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:59 am

1. Trade Love or Jefferson by opening night.

2. Trade Flynn if Ricky is coming, trade Ricky if he isn't.

3. Do not pay Darko more than 4.5m a year.

4. Sign Morrow for an amount GSW can't stomach matching.

5. Pick Turner if available, pick Cousins and trade down if not.

6. Try to end up with Vesely (if we don't get Turner) and Alabi.

7. Sign Pekovic with the intent of featuring him for future trades.
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Post#46 » by jade_hippo » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:26 am

Twolves98 wrote:This is my perfect offseason... Im looking to build a team around Ricky Rubio and the triangle


2) Sign and trade Al Jefferson + 2nd round picks to Memphis for Rudy Gay


The last thing Memphis needs is another big man, especially since most of them are the large, lumbering variety just like Al. Randolph, Gasol, Thabeet, Haddidi, Aurthur and Hunter (FA?).
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Re: My Mock Offseason 

Post#47 » by Twolves98 » Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:17 pm

Yea i guess Memphis is out but Detroit for Prince would work+ there first round pick... Maybe grab Monroe or Favors maybe through in Brewer

Also forget outlaw

Pekovic bring over lets see what he can do

Also go after Beasley since he could be good and actually Robinson is a more 3/4 player and can play bothe so the Pekovic thing wouldn't matter

PG- Sessions/ Turner (Rubio)
SG- Turner/ Morrow/ Ellington
SF- Beasley / Prince/ Robinson
PF- Lover/ (Favors, Monroe) / Pekovic
C - Milicic/ Aldrich
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Post#48 » by skorff26 » Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:28 am

1. Trade Jefferson to Detroit for Prince, #7 (been discussed often)

2. Trade Gomes/Flynn to Indiana for #10, Foster, 2012 lottery protected 1st
-Indiana cuts salary and get a PG which is what they need the most; we make way for Rubio next year, get a veteran locker room presence for our team in Foster, and pick up a mid to late future 1st rounder

3. Trade Prince to Houston for Jeffries/Hayes/2012 NY 1st
-We pick up future assets for Prince, Houston gets someone to help them out right away

4. Trade #10 and #16 to Philly for #6
-we move up to get the player we want, Philly gets 2 players to help them out (we could include Pekovic if need be as well)

5. Draft 2-Turner, 6-Aldrich, 7-Johnson, 23-Bledsoe

Free Agency Period
6. Trade
Chicago Out: 2011 1st, 2012 Cha 1st, Deng In: Hollins
-This gives them the ability to sign 2 max players and keep Noah and Rose
NOH Out: Peja, 2011 1st In: Deng
-they cut salary for next year and get a lot closer to luxury tax, Deng is a huge upgrade (Paul/Thorton/Deng/West/Okafor is a pretty good lineup), Deng does have a longer deal, but by 2011-2012 they will have their salary under control and could likely afford him.
MN Out: Hollins, cap space In: Peja, 2011 Chi 1st, 2011 NOH 1st, 2012 Cha 1st
-We use our cap space to pick up future assets + cap space in 2011

7. Resign Darko

2010-2011 Lineup
Sessions/Bledsoe
Turner/Brewer/Ellington
Johnson/Brewer/Peja
Love/Hayes/Jeffries
Darko/Aldrich/Foster

-2011 we have a ton of cap space (maybe enough for 2 max guys), Rubio coming over (young core of Rubio/Turner/Johnson/Love/Aldrich), plus assets that can be moved to get that superstar player such as Pekovic, Bledsoe, Ellington, 2012 Ind lotto protected 1st, 2011 Chi 1st, 2012 Cha 1st, 2011 NOH 1st; and a couple of young role players in Brewer, Sessions, Darko
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Re: My Mock Offseason 

Post#49 » by shangrila » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:31 am

Does anyone else think heading into the season with half a team of rookies is a stupid idea?
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Re: My Mock Offseason 

Post#50 » by m2002brian » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:44 am

Having half the team as rookies IS stupid. No need to think about it.
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Re: My Mock Offseason 

Post#51 » by slinky » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:42 pm

Skorff, that is exactly how I build my 2K10 teams...:-) Lottery draft picks, rookies in the Starting rotation, tons of cap room, and future draft picks...

The biggest difference is I can take control of my stud SG, and he can score 40 points a night, and my SF, can get a double double if I sag off my man, and crash boards constantly...and my PG averages the same amount of steals as he does fouls per game, cause its so hard to steal the ball...I digress...

My point is, in real life I dont think a team with that much potential will realize it for a few years...which isnt a huge issue, but I think a better solution is a solid mixture of some young guys and some vets. With that starting lineup, where are you gonna fit a MAX FA with all of that cap room you amassed? If you could show how to turn all of those assets/cap room into Carmelo Anthony than you might be on to something...but typically huge stars like that arent obtained with future mid-1st picks from CHI, CHA, NOH...

idk, I like the crazy potential of each individual player on the team, but I am just not sure if that potential is realized with so many young players on the roster...
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Re: My Mock Offseason 

Post#52 » by shangrila » Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:32 pm

I'd hope Kahn realises if the team actually gets Turner, it becomes all about winning. That means not relying on rookies and inexperience but trying to find some decent veterans to fill out the roster.
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Post#53 » by skorff26 » Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:20 am

slinky wrote:Skorff, that is exactly how I build my 2K10 teams...:-) Lottery draft picks, rookies in the Starting rotation, tons of cap room, and future draft picks...

The biggest difference is I can take control of my stud SG, and he can score 40 points a night, and my SF, can get a double double if I sag off my man, and crash boards constantly...and my PG averages the same amount of steals as he does fouls per game, cause its so hard to steal the ball...I digress...

My point is, in real life I dont think a team with that much potential will realize it for a few years...which isnt a huge issue, but I think a better solution is a solid mixture of some young guys and some vets. With that starting lineup, where are you gonna fit a MAX FA with all of that cap room you amassed? If you could show how to turn all of those assets/cap room into Carmelo Anthony than you might be on to something...but typically huge stars like that arent obtained with future mid-1st picks from CHI, CHA, NOH...

idk, I like the crazy potential of each individual player on the team, but I am just not sure if that potential is realized with so many young players on the roster...


You have some vets; Foster, Jeffries, and Peja are all vets who can actually play a few minutes a night; Sessions, Brewer, Darko, and Hayes have all been in the league a few years too

As for the rookies, there's Bledsoe who i won't argue against him having lots of rookie mistakes. But Turner is 21 and is definitely NBA ready. Johnson is 22 years old as well, and he could always be moved to the bench and have Brewer out there if he's not ready right away. Aldrich would not need to play big minutes, plus he's 21 as well and IMO NBA ready too.

As for a superstar, an offer like Rubio or Love or Aldrich + Johnson + cap space + a couple of firsts could entice someone to move their superstar (maybe Paul or maybe a big name PF/C).
Example offer Paul for Rubio, Johnson, a few 1sts, cap space... (young player of same position as superstar, Johnson, maybe a few 1sts for superstar)

Then in 2011 free agency, we pursue Melo hard... a lineup of something like Paul/Turner/Melo/Love/Aldrich with Bledsoe/Sessions/Brewer/Darko off the bench would be fairly enticing to Melo.

-I'm not saying that we'd land 2 superstars (3 if you count Turner), I just think that something like this might be the most likely way we could, and if it doesn't succeed then we are not bogged down by big contracts, loss of future picks, or lack of potential talent; and we could re-evaluate what to do in 2 years (by then we'd start to know what we have as young talent too)
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Post#54 » by jade_hippo » Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:38 am

If we get Turner and trade Jefferson I think the Brewer/Turner/Prince middle rotation would be great. We's still need to get a new big man, but I could see Prince wanting to come back after next season to play with a Rubio/Turner/Love/Brewer core
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Post#55 » by shangrila » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:29 am

Unless Brewer can pick up defensively I wouldn't count him as part of the core. Not all of it was his fault this season, but he went from being a poor offensive player and fairly awesome defensive player to an average offensive and defensive player. That's not exactly something to hold on to.
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Re: My Mock Offseason 

Post#56 » by revprodeji » Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:41 am

There are so many assets we have no idea what is going on.

I would make it my goal this offseason to obtain Turner and Favors. (Yes, I said "and") I feel those two players fit this scheme, but also create a dynamic with Rubio.
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Post#57 » by Esohny » Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:43 am

revprodeji wrote:There are so many assets we have no idea what is going on.

I would make it my goal this offseason to obtain Turner and Favors. (Yes, I said "and") I feel those two players fit this scheme, but also create a dynamic with Rubio.


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Re: My Mock Offseason 

Post#58 » by Klomp » Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:40 am

1. Trade Al to DET for #7 + Prince
2. Trade Gomes to ATL for Williams
3. Trade Love to GSW for #4

#2 - Turner
#4 - Favors
#7 - Whiteside
#16 - James
#23 - Torrence
#45 - Shved
#56 - Zoubek

Flynn / Sessions / Torrence / Shved (Overseas)
Turner / Brewer / Ellington
Prince / Williams / James
Favors / Whiteside
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Re: My Mock Offseason 

Post#59 » by shangrila » Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:16 am

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