MIN/ATL: Gomes + cap for Marvin Williams?

[Klomp]

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... Rug&gid=19

[John Doe [MIN]]

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=r0EIACYJtq4Wgjl-ZmYzRug&gid=19

That's the ticket!

I went as far as to google "NBA salaries google spreadsheet" and still couldn't find this. Though upon second glance, the 8th hit is a link to another RealGM thread in which the link is posted. Still, you'd think such an excellent reference would be more widespread. Thanks.

[Vindicater]

Im still all for it!

[shangrila]

I'm curious, who exactly decided that Marvin is as good as he gets described here?

[Breakdown777]

I wanted Marvin here until he signed that contract. It was too much then , and way too much now after the financial hit the league has taken.

I do like his ability to be consistently solid, do a little bit of everything well, his D is good, and he always finds a way to get to the line. at 5 mil a year yes, any more than that i'll take my chances with some rookies.
It's likely that if we dealt for him, in 2 years we'd still be horrible and be paying him over 8 mil that year to be the 3rd best player on a lottery team.

[Vindicater]

I wanted Marvin here until he signed that contract. It was too much then , and way too much now after the financial hit the league has taken.

I do like his ability to be consistently solid, do a little bit of everything well, his D is good, and he always finds a way to get to the line. at 5 mil a year yes, any more than that i'll take my chances with some rookies.
It's likely that if we dealt for him, in 2 years we'd still be horrible and be paying him over 8 mil that year to be the 3rd best player on a lottery team.

I think he has the chance to be a really good scorer though who will also provide defense and a winning attitude to the team. I dont want to try my luck with rookies because you dont "win" anything with rookies. We have enough youth with Love, FLynn and Rubio coming over plus whoever we pick this year. We need some young vets to help grow with this team.

[shangrila]

But what makes you think he can be a really good scorer? He doesn't have great handles and his shot isn't perfect. I'll admit he gets to the line but that's more to do with his spacing then him doing things with the ball in his hands.

[Klomp]

But what makes you think he can be a really good scorer? He doesn't have great handles and his shot isn't perfect. I'll admit he gets to the line but that's more to do with his spacing then him doing things with the ball in his hands.

I think thats why he'd fit in well here. The triangle is predicated on ball movement, not one guy in iso the whole time.

[shangrila]

But what makes you think he can be a really good scorer? He doesn't have great handles and his shot isn't perfect. I'll admit he gets to the line but that's more to do with his spacing then him doing things with the ball in his hands.

I think thats why he'd fit in well here. The triangle is predicated on ball movement, not one guy in iso the whole time.

True, but then he still needs to be assisted. I always think of really good scorers as guys that can create for themselves.

[revprodeji]

before we say no because of the contract, could you show me where we could get a similar player for the similar cost?

I want a 6'9/6'10 athletic SF under 25 that has legit range and enough production to be effective, but still the potential for more.

It is fine to say no because he is not Lebron or on a minimum contract, but he is a quality player at a desperate position.

Williams>Deng/Green

[Esohny]

Williams>Deng/Green

I agree with this. However, to be fair, Deng and Green aren't particularly desirable either.

[revprodeji]

I agree, but to be fair, those are the 2 most commonly mentioned SF that we would try to bring in.

If we can bring in Williams for almost the same deal as Deng (purely cash cutting) why would we not do it?

[Casperkid23]

I agree, but to be fair, those are the 2 most commonly mentioned SF that we would try to bring in.

If we can bring in Williams for almost the same deal as Deng (purely cash cutting) why would we not do it?

Because Deng is the better player offensively and defensively.

[Esohny]

Probably because there's a player that we like in the draft or free agency (Gay?) better.

Do we actually think Marvin would be available for cap room only?

[revprodeji]

Atlanta needs to clear money in order to bring Johnson back.

Williams, Gay, and Deng all have similar % numbers, with Williams having a higher TS% and the best ft/fg (all of them are similar to each other)

Williams has the best PPR, best Ast-ratio, Tor-R, lowest usage (by about 6 pts), yet his PER was only 3 less.


Williams has the tools, but is criminally underused in Atlanta. Deng and Gay were both main or 2nd players in their systems. I believe based on his % stats and Hollinger stats that Williams could do the same. I am not arguing that he is crazy-better than those guys, but he should be in the same ballpark as them.

Williams is the youngest of them, he has a better contract than Deng, and likely a better contract to whatever we would sign Gay to.

[Esohny]

I was answering your question about why the Wolves would pass on that deal.

For just production/talent, I rank the players

Gay
Deng
Williams
Green

but considering contracts(either what they are being paid or should get this offseason) and injury history, I'd put them

Gay (I give him a contract like Granger's, no higher however)
Williams
Deng
Green

I like Rudy Gay the best due to the age, offense, defensive improvement (and potential), durability, and remaining upside. I think he might get paid more than he deserves though, and I don't think we should try to outbid someone giving him a deal averaging 14 million a year (or whatever).

If the choice was between Deng and Williams, I'd take Williams, since even though Deng has a slight offensive edge, I think they're pretty similar players. But Marvin makes 60% of the salary and doesn't have injury concerns.

[Vindicater]

I would much much much much rather have williams then deng