Serge Ibaka

[revprodeji]

btw, if those bloggers were personally taught and mentored by him for a few years and then ended up dying for their beliefs, and had students that died for the same belief, then I would give them some credibility.

[mandurugo]

If I remember my school day lessons correctly, one of the roles of the Holy Spirit was to help maintain the integrity of the Church and the correct interpretation of the will of God. I suspect that I am not accurate in this, but certainly if a religion is not concerned with the inability of humans to correctly and faithfully teach/preach their religion over time it is because there is some sort of force helping them out. However, we have seen the Christian faith splinter over the last 2000 odd years into several conflicting branches of faith. I believe most of these splinters happened in "good faith" - each group thought they were correctly interpreting the religion and weren't doing this merely to sow confusion (although I suppose some might argue for the existence of a personification of evil that was causing this to happen). My question is even if we accept that Christianity is the one true religion, how do we know which version to follow?

[younggunsmn]

I highly respect your knowledge. That guy in my link was not a blogger, the link was to a bbc documentary by an anglican priest, it's an interesting viewing. There were 300 years (give or take) between the life of Christ and the council of Nicea. A very long time for tradition to be passed down. There were many writings that either failed to pass the test of time or were (allegedly) destroyed outright. You are right, not all of them were seriously considered by the council, some came from rival sects of Christianity. Conspiracy theorists (like Dan Brown) would say they are all locked up in the vatican vault.

I'm not denying anyone's credibility, only pointing out humans are subject to human perspective.

[younggunsmn]

Good point about the Holy Spirit being a guide. I had a college history course which went over the reformation. The various splinter groups disagreed with some doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church at the time, but wanted to maintain their belief in Christianity. Kind of like not wanting to throw the baby out with the bathwater, they wanted to take with them their core beliefs and discard what they disagreed with. Things like the power of priests at the time to absolve sins through the sale of indulgences.

I like to take the same approach to academics. For example I agree with most of the powerful philosophical lessons in Atlas Shrugged, but I disagree with the atheism. I'm not going to throw out the entire book because I disagree with part of it.

[revprodeji]

Young, we have the writings of those people from Christ until Nicea. (That is the patristics thing I was telling you about). There are numerous writings from the bishops at that time that are not part of scripture. I have read a large amount of these works. These were students of the apostles that passed down the apostolic witness. These rival sects did not really come until the post-apostolic period. We still have their writings (Arius as an example) and can still read them. Councils came together to make choices about these. If the Church wanted to destroy anything that opposed it then they would have not kept Arian's documents.

btw, Nicea had almost nothing to do with the canon. It involved the Christological controversy. Rather it was the Councils of Carthage in the 4th century and from the ordinary Magisterium afterwards, including the Council of Florence in 1441. The council of Trent I 1546 defined the canon of Scripture. It was not really a debated thing.

[funkatron101]

Jeez, I didn't realize that Serge Ibaka was the second coming of Christ.

[LOBO 7]

On the bright side, once this debate is over we'll be able to look back on Ibaka's career and decide whether or not I was crazy when I started the thread.

[C.lupus]

After reading through this whole thread, you aren't the crazy one.

[younggunsmn]

I appreciate your insight Rev,
I was just trying to make a point about perspective, sorry if I misspoke about matters well above my pay grade. The video talked about the "lost gospels" of thomas, mary, and philip from writings found in Egypt. These must be some of the post-apostolic period writings you spoke of.

Serge Ibaka is a beast on the defensive end. I was impressed with him during the Lakers series.
If he can improve his jumper and post game he will be a beast.
That said I can't see OKC moving any core pieces, they have a really good thing going there.