Sixers shopping Pick+Brand

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Sixers are not giving up the second pick. They will be taking Evan Turner. You guys should have went with Curry last season instead of Flynn.

[Esohny]

Sixers are not giving up the second pick. They will be taking Evan Turner. You guys should have went with Curry last season instead of Flynn.

Thanks for sharing.

[shangrila]

And Philadelphia shouldn't have signed Brand. See, we can all do that.

[NewWolvesOrder]

And Philadelphia shouldn't have signed Brand. See, we can all do that.

+100000

[Klomp]

And Philadelphia shouldn't have signed Brand. See, we can all do that.

But then we wouldn't have 23.....

[Twolves98]

Im OK doing this under 2 conditions we don't loose more than 2 million in cap space and we don't give up the 4th pick.

76er's: Jefferson,23rd + 2 2nd rounders
Min: Brand, 2nd

[LOBO 7]

Totally just brainstorming:
(Any of the following moveable assets): Al, Gomes, Sessions, Ellington, Hollins, #23 FOR Brand + #2

Draft:

Turner #2
Johnson #4
George #16 (or use leftovers from above assets to get him)

(Rubio)Flynn/Turner
Turner/Johnson/George
Brewer/Johnson/George
Love/Brand/Pekovic
Darko/Brand/Pekovic

Hmm, I'm just brainstorming. In addition to Turner, I'm getting tony ronzones for Johnson and George.
I guess Brewer becomes a bit of an overkill if we get Turner, Johnson, and George, but I've been pulling for Brewer for so long now it would suck to see him go right after his breakout season. I guess if it meant we would get all 3 of those guys, I'd be willing to include Brewer in the moveable assets category.

I may or may not be drunk.
But, I may or may not be David Kahn.

[allweneedisLOVE]

U gotta take Cousins at #4 even though everyone really likes Johnson

[LOBO 7]

U gotta take Cousins at #4 even though everyone really likes Johnson

I know, I just want to end up with Johnson, and I was too lazy to write "Cousins, then trade him for Johnson plus other assets (?) to be used to make sure we get George", so I just wrote "Johnson"

[76ciology]

Sorry Wolves fans. I enjoy reading your board and you guys have great insights.

We're definitely not shopping EB42 for just cap space. It's just plain stupid. Doug Collins, the 76ers new headcoach has been said to be excited for the 2nd overall pick and has plans to utilize EB42.

See, Ed Stefanski messed up big time by signing Iggy and EB42 to long term contracts. And the 2nd overall was his saving grace. No way, he throw it all away fro mere cap room nor would he want another player with a questionable knee in Al J.

I think Ed Stefanski is trying to shop #2 not because he's desperate to get rid of EB42, instead, he's trying to get "lop sided" deals with the 2nd overall pick because everyone is interested in it.

THE ONLY way this could ever happen is if you guys include #4 overall pick along with Al J for EB42 with the #2 overall pick. Which isn't fair for the Wolves, talent wise.

[Breakdown777]

This is all just the typical pre-draft chatter, but if true, I'd take Brand and 2 if we weren't giving up Rubio or the 4.

I think Brand is getting a bad rap now. I know the deal is still monsteriously huge, but he had a down year off an injury PLUS played in an offense that didn't suit his game (sound familiar). He still makes a lot of money, but I don't think those days of 18 and 9 with 1.5 blocks are out of the picture yet. That's nearly what we'll get from Al anyway.

I know Philly doesn't do it, but I'd part with Al+Gomes+Pek(if we can get Darko back)+16 or 23 (but not both) for Brand+2+Kapono. That should save Philly some money if we take back brand and kapono. We still have a solid big, and we get a 3 point shooter, plus the coveted Turner, plus keep the 4th pick.

Flynn/Sessions/ (Rubio)
Turner/Brewer
George(or Henry)/Kapono
Love / Brand
Darko / Cousins

That team looks mighty fine.

[The J Rocka]

Darko/Cousins
Al/Love
George
Brewer
Rubio

^^More realistic scenario

Trade Al or Love for another wing (besides Turner) + cap space, we are set and don't need to sell the whole farm just for Turner, it should take Al, Gomes, Flynn, 16 or 23 and allow us to keep our 4 to make it happen, which I don't see happening.

[horaceworthy]

I think Ed Stefanski is trying to shop #2 not because he's desperate to get rid of EB42, instead, he's trying to get "lop sided" deals with the 2nd overall pick because everyone is interested in it.

If he's going to get a lopsided deal for the #2, the most likely team to offer one would have to be the Wolves, given how their assets are arranged. The question then becomes what Stefanski considers a lopsided deal, which may not match up with what Sixer fans would consider a lopsided deal.

THE ONLY way this could ever happen is if you guys include #4 overall pick along with Al J for EB42 with the #2 overall pick. Which isn't fair for the Wolves, talent wise.

Doubt that's the only way, but that may very well be within the realm of what Kahn is willing to give up, depending on how things shake out with the rest of the roster.

[shrink]

(I hate it when I finish a long post and my computer freezes. I'll try to hit the highlights, and clip a lot)

As I posted elsewhere, fans have a subjective feel that Brand's contract is bad, but they don't really understand how bad, so I tried to quantify it to try to arrive at a fair market value for his expected production. But here's another way to look at it.

Turner will be paid over $14 mil for his first three years. If Elton Brand was a free agent, with his age and injury history, he may get the MLE as a useful big off the bench (maybe a team would still pay that much for that role, so let's say Brand can earn Turner's salary? But can Turner earn Brand's? Over the next three years, Brand will earn over $50 mil, or an average salary close to $17. that's LeBron territory - more than Chris Paul, on his first max deal.

I understand that this is a time of optimism for all the drfat choices, and PHI fans are no different, seeing only the most positive upside for Turner. However, Turner's never played a game at the pro level in his life, and the majority of picks never reach that promise. Here's the last ten year's worth of #2's:

2000 1.2 Grizzlies Stromile Swift
2001 1.2 Clippers Bulls Tyson Chandler
2002 1.2 Bulls Jay Williams
2003 1.2 Pistons Darko Milicic
2004 1.2 Bobcats Emeka Okafor
2005 1.2 Hawks Marvin Williams
2006 1.2 Bulls Trailblazers LaMarcus Aldridge
2007 1.2 SuperSonics Kevin Durant
2008 1.2 Heat Michael Beasley
2009 1.2 Grizzlies Hasheem Thabeet

Yes, a team still owns Turner after three years, but the idea that Brand and Turner have this much value (let alone adding Kevin Love, #4, and sometimes more) I think is buts.


PHI fans that disagree have three choices here. They can:

1. Argue that Evan Turner is 100% risk free that he will be so awesome that he's worth that much money

2. Argue the numbers aren't accurate and present their own numbers (mainly, Brand will be close to an elite PF in his mid-30's).

3. Argue that the losses are real, but don't matter.

I don't think any of those positions are realistic.

[zauchary]

He is more of an inside player than Wallace. His inside scoring numbers were historic.

I do not think we will ever use our cap space to bring in a legit free agent. So if we can move "cap+Gomes" for Brand+Turner then I do it in a second. You will not find a Turner like player by moving other assets. Our best bet would be giving Gay a Brand-like contract.

If we do not need to give up the 4, love or Rubio and still get the #2 you do it in a second.

agreed. I'd give up Al plus the 16 and 23 and walk away from this draft with Cousins, Turner and Brand and call it a night.