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Re: MIN - NJN 

Post#21 » by Worm Guts » Tue May 25, 2010 6:36 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:we need good defense everywhere, I don't think anybody gets a pass as a good defender. The rotations on the perimeter were just as bad as the lack of contests inside


Of course, but Kevin Love and Al Jefferson our are best players and there's a question whether they're physically capable of playing defense together. I'm not questioning whether we need to get better defensively on the perimeter. I'm saying getting better defensively on the perimeter won't fully compensate for sucking defensively on the inside.
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Re: MIN - NJN 

Post#22 » by Devilzsidewalk » Tue May 25, 2010 6:49 pm

definitely an uphill battle to argue that they could play together judging by what we've seen on the court, but I think its an equally good argument to point to the Boozer/Millsap/Okur trio that Utah throws out as an example that you can be an elite team w/o having 7 foot monsters stalking the paint. The difference imo is Jerry Sloan and Deron Williams - elite play maker and great defensive coaching, while we're throwing out a collection of turnstiles that can't drain a shot, that's not really a fair assessment of Love/Jefferson as a duo imo. Of course a 7 footer that can block shots is always ideal, but I don't think you have to have it, if all 5 guys know their rotations, thats going to make a big difference. Right now, we're always late on rotations, and we can't convert on offense so we're playing defense off of rebounds all the time, huge disadvantage. If Rambis can clean up the defensive rotations and get some consistent shooters, and I think you could feasibly run a Love/Jefferson frontcourt and be a good team.
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Re: MIN - NJN 

Post#23 » by Worm Guts » Tue May 25, 2010 7:19 pm

I'm not saying it can't work, but I don't need it to work. I want the Wolves to win, it doesn't matter if the frontcourt has both Love and Jefferson, one of them or neither of them. If you want to improve the perimeter, one of the ways is to trade Jefferson or Love.
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Re: MIN - NJN 

Post#24 » by Devilzsidewalk » Tue May 25, 2010 7:22 pm

I need it to work because I said it would awhile ago and mandurugo has been killing me on it lately
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Re: MIN - NJN 

Post#25 » by younggunsmn » Tue May 25, 2010 10:01 pm

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Devilzsidewalk wrote:we need good defense everywhere, I don't think anybody gets a pass as a good defender. The rotations on the perimeter were just as bad as the lack of contests inside


Of course, but Kevin Love and Al Jefferson our are best players and there's a question whether they're physically capable of playing defense together. I'm not questioning whether we need to get better defensively on the perimeter. I'm saying getting better defensively on the perimeter won't fully compensate for sucking defensively on the inside.


I don't think it's a question anymore, I think the answer's a resounding NO. Rambis was taking every opportunity to not put them out there together, even before the Darko trade, and it shows how disgusted he was with that pairing on the defensive end. 2 seasons of defensive crapitude from that frontcourt is more than enough proof it won't work, ever.

Guards need the bigs' help to be effective perimeter defenders, especially on the pick and roll. No one player can stop another on the P&R with the modern hand check rules. Darko showed an amazing ability to hedge the P&R, and a ton of that was because of his huge wingspan/reach advantage over Love. Watching the difference in defensive effort and understanding between Love/Al and Darko was like watching a varsity player practice with the B-team.

Darko isn't at the level that KG, Perkins, and D12 are playing defense, and he probably never will be. But that he makes the rest of our bigs look so awful in comparison defensively says everything we really need to know about how bad Al and Love are together.

To the original post, Love/Pekovic is pretty steep for 3, it's similar to love/16. I don't know that throwing in Pekovic honestly makes much difference, it all would center on whether NJ likes love better than Favors, Cousins, or Johnson. If they don't, I don't think any sweetener will make them trade away their pick.
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Re: MIN - NJN 

Post#26 » by minnisisky » Wed May 26, 2010 5:09 am

I dont like this trade at all. Love is more solid that Favors and has we already know what we are getting from him. i would shut this trade down in a heartbeat.
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Re: MIN - NJN 

Post#27 » by John Doe [MIN] » Wed May 26, 2010 5:51 am

I'm not sure either team does it. New Jersey loses fit, because Favors looks perfect for them. For Minnesota, we're giving up an asset and taking a risk on a guy who may or may not be better than Love.

Of course, if Favors turns out to be Amare with defense, this post will look quite stupid indeed.
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Re: MIN - NJN 

Post#28 » by C.lupus » Wed May 26, 2010 11:24 am

I'd do it it but I agree with John Doe that NJ probably doesn't.

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