Official: Sessions, Hollins, 2nd for West, Telfair

[Klomp]

Watch it with the personal attacks. You've been warned.

Watch it with the backseat modding. You've been warned.

-Klomp

[AQuintus]

Watch it with the personal attacks. You've been warned.

When did RealGM get secret moderators?

Or are you some kind of high-powered record executive with a beautiful wife and this is a different kind of warning?

[Swimmer]

Well, Curry is better value at 7 than 5 or 6, and maybe after taking taking one semi-risk at 5 in Rubio, Kahn didn't want another one at 6. It might not be an issue for Golden State and the GS FO, but it was an issue for the MN FO.

If you just look back on our boards, pre-dating when I started posting by far, you can see that MN fans wanted Rubio long before he started being hyped to us. Kahn would never have mentioned Rubio beforehand, because there was a very slim chance we would get him.

I'm not sure why you continue to have an issue with Rubio. We *understand* that he *might* never come to Minnesota. We also *understand* that Rubio probably won't be able to play in the NBA without us, and through all the news we've seen, seems to be warming to the idea of coming here. Rubio fell to #5 because of his contract issues. Without it, we would not be having this discussion.

But really, what's your point? There's a serious chance Anthony Randolph never reaches his potential, at which point you are looking at nothing (or perhaps a trade of lesser returns if Randolph doesn't improve). You should deal him ASAP, for some mediocre package. Wait a minute... There's a serious chance Monta and Stephen won't really be able to co-exist, at which point you are looking at lesser returns on either, especially if one of them requests a trade. You should deal one ASAP, for some mediocre package.

Let's say we thought Rubio was 75% going to come over here. At the time, I would prefer the 75% chance of Rubio's value = Rubio and 25% chance of Rubio's value = 0 to Curry. Fortunately for me, I believed, and still believe, that that percentage is much higher. I know that you've been accused quite frequently of trolling, but I agree with a lot of your opinions, but IMO, berating our thoughts on Rubio is trolling. There's no point in discussing him.

I am by no means a fan of our management, but our trade for the fifth pick was amazing. Our pick of Rubio was obvious. You can critique many many of Kahn's moves, even including the Beasley pickup, the Sessions signing, etc., but that trade and that pick are not among them.

[Klomp]

But really, what's your point? There's a serious chance Anthony Randolph never reaches his potential, at which point you are looking at nothing (or perhaps a trade of lesser returns if Randolph doesn't improve). You should deal him ASAP, for some mediocre package.

Let me beat Mr. St.Nick on this one....

Randolph was dealt to NY in the David Lee sign-and-trade.

[Swimmer]

Aww, you coulda quoted my "Wait a minute..." part too!

[Klomp]

Aww, you coulda quoted my "Wait a minute..." part too!

LOL Wasn't sure if that was related or not...

[C.lupus]

Watch it with the personal attacks. You've been warned.

Watch it with the backseat modding. You've been warned.

-Klomp

Watch it...oh wait nevermind.

[john2jer]

But Randolph WAS traded in a mediocre package. They get to overpay David Lee now.

[GopherIt!]

but Randolph is a headcase and "The General" is a 20-10 all star.


watch it with the use of logic and statistics. you've been warned

-Archimedes

[St.Nick]

"No guarantee that they would play right away?"

What are you talking about? Are you suggesting that they'd refuse to play for the T-Wolves or something? Please explain a bit more coherently.

If you could read an entire post without getting confused, you would see that I gave a direct example of a player drafted last year who did not play right away. (And no, I'm not talking about Rubio).

You are trying to equate Ricky Rubio's situation in Spain to Blake Griffin's knee injury to Stephen Curry's something?

Sorry bro, I read your post, but its just a bad analogy that doesn't make any sense. I was hoping you'd explain more so that it might mean something, but I guess not.

[Breakdown777]

As wolves fan, we accept the fact that we aren't a major player attraction. Therefore, we have to rely on some luck to help us contend for championships.

I'm perfectly fine with Kahn having the teams salary just at the minimum, because I realize that we cannot get star power here unless we get lucky in the draft (Rubio is the luckiest we've gotten since Kahns been here-so the fans can't complain), or capitalize on an opportunity to get talent (Beasley). If he can keep the cash flow low, that gives us a better chance of getting talent from a team that wants to blow it up. Frankly, that is the only way this team can get those "star power" type of guys.

Another way could be by overpaying the best FA IF we were the only team that could offer the most. It just so happens that the 2010 FA peroid had many more teams than usual with lots of money, making MN an unlikely destination-even though they had space.

I don't see anything wrong with giving a guy 3 years to make a horrible team good(possibly great). On top of that, he's so far also kept us from overspending, so if his little puppet-show doesn't come to fruition...we'll have cap space, youth, and flexibility. I refuse to hate anything Kahn does until he bankrupts us, becasue as long as we maintain flexibility, rebuilding or re-rebuilding won't take as long.

One final point. As Wolves fans, we are willing to be terrible in order to be very good. Anyone can build a 7 or 8 seed team that will win half their games....we have higher standards than that, which include taking calculated risks and following a system and a plan. I don't think Kahn's goal has been to build a middle of the pack team. He's going make or break, which I like. On top of that, even if the team is horrible, it will be exciting.

I just can't find much to complain about. Perhaps it's because I'm not looking for reasons to.

[Klomp]

"No guarantee that they would play right away?"

What are you talking about? Are you suggesting that they'd refuse to play for the T-Wolves or something? Please explain a bit more coherently.

If you could read an entire post without getting confused, you would see that I gave a direct example of a player drafted last year who did not play right away. (And no, I'm not talking about Rubio).

You are trying to equate Ricky Rubio's situation in Spain to Blake Griffin's knee injury to Stephen Curry's something?

Sorry bro, I read your post, but its just a bad analogy that doesn't make any sense. I was hoping you'd explain more so that it might mean something, but I guess not.

Yes or no, did Blake Griffin play right away last year?

[St.Nick]

Yes or no, did Blake Griffin play right away last year?

Jeez...just get to the point....pleeeease!

[funkatron101]

Yes or no, did Blake Griffin play right away last year?

Jeez...just get to the point....pleeeease!

Watch it with the extra "ee"s. You've been warned.

[St.Nick]

[john2jer]

After reading all of this thread, analyzing, and doing some self-master debating over the subject matter and Nick's "finer" points, I've come to realize his agenda here.

He realizes the Warriors are horrible, and he's mad at Kahn because he thinks the Wolves might be stealing potential lottery balls from Golden State.

[Breakdown777]

Reading between the lines......

After reading all of this thread, analyzing, and doing some self-master debating over the subject matter and Nick's "finer" points, I've come to realize his agenda here.

He realizes the Warriors are horrible, and he's mad at Kahn because he thinks the Wolves might be stealing potential lottery balls from Golden State.

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I think that St. Nick would be glad to discuss his hometeam in their forum, but I also believe that it might feel good to find one organization that is criticized just as much as (if not more than) my team. Better yet, find a team that also makes moves I don't agree with. Step two is just going there and stating my unpopular points and opinions, yet arguing the minor aspects to death.
That said, I think many of his points are valid, and I'd expect any inpatient non-wolves fan to make the same judgement.
It's clear that St. Nick is more of a "win now" kind of guy who doesn't want to be patient and wait to be terrible year after year until we draft a superstar (he also doesn't feel Rubio (our biggest chance at a star) isn't up to the billing and may never come over). I think that all of us MN fans realize that Kahns only been around for 14 months, and we're giving him the benefit of the doubt as he's making a roster that fits his system and his coach, WHILE keeping us flexible in the $ dept. St. Nick seems like he'd be a bigger fan of what the Bucks are doing in Stock piling pricey midlevel talent and hoping to win (yet we all know the absolute best they can do is a 2nd round playoff exit, most likely 1st round).
In MN, we want it all, and since no superstars are going to fall into our laps,...we have to find them, or find potential ones we can turn into superstars, or just wait for the lottery to go our way, or for a team struggling to have a fire sale.

[john2jer]

I just don't really understand why St Nick cares so much. Every time the wind changes he comes running to the Wolves forum to rip the Wolves... But for what? A reaction? That's what trolls do. Why does he, as a Warriors fan, care if the Wolves suck, make mistakes, or if Kahn blows as a GM? If I was a fan of another team it would make me happy.