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Re: Whats up with Wes? 

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Re: Whats up with Wes? 

Post#23 » by cpfsf » Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:48 am

Turnover_21 wrote:If Wes was playing at SF next to Beasley at PF you would not be saying this.


I kind of just threw this post together. I don't have the numbers on that unfortunately. Love on the court would really change the impact the most.

WJ averages 7 rebounds per 48 at small forward while his small forward opponent averages 8.4

At the shooting guard position he averages 4.5 rebounds per 48 and his opponent averages 6.4

Obviously he's still a rookie, but I've expected more.
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Re: Whats up with Wes? 

Post#24 » by NewWolvesOrder » Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:58 am

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Turnover_21 wrote:If Wes was playing at SF next to Beasley at PF you would not be saying this.


I kind of just threw this post together. I don't have the numbers on that unfortunately. Love on the court would really change the impact the most.

WJ averages 7 rebounds per 48 at small forward while his small forward opponent averages 8.4

At the shooting guard position he averages 4.5 rebounds per 48 and his opponent averages 6.4

Obviously he's still a rookie, but I've expected more.


Does every opposing SG & SF have a Kevin Love on the team?
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Re: Whats up with Wes? 

Post#25 » by Peezo » Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:58 am

C.lupus wrote:A couple things I think:

First, he's adjusting to playing SG at the NBA level.
Second, he's the fourth option on the team right now behind Beasley, Love, and Darko.
Third, the PG play has been terrible lately. He would really benefit from a PG that would create shots for others.

He has been playing fairly solid D for the most part, although he had some trouble with the smaller, quicker Ellis last night


This.

I'm more concerned about him guarding 2s than being able to score. Is there anyone who can throw this kid a damn alley-oop for some easy buckets? I don't think he'll have a problem bringing it down.
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Re: Whats up with Wes? 

Post#26 » by flexbuffchest » Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:03 am

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C.lupus wrote:A couple things I think:

First, he's adjusting to playing SG at the NBA level.
Second, he's the fourth option on the team right now behind Beasley, Love, and Darko.
Third, the PG play has been terrible lately. He would really benefit from a PG that would create shots for others.

He has been playing fairly solid D for the most part, although he had some trouble with the smaller, quicker Ellis last night


This.

I'm more concerned about him guarding 2s than being able to score. Is there anyone who can throw this kid a damn alley-oop for some easy buckets? I don't think he'll have a problem bringing it down.

He needs to start moving without the ball for that to happen, along with better guard play (insert Jonny 8-) )
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Re: Whats up with Wes? 

Post#27 » by Calinks » Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:08 am

I see him as a poor man's Shawn Marion. Can't create for crap. He gets a great PG who can feed him all day and he will be a good player but I don't think he will be a guy who you can count on to win you games. Right now I think he will wind up being a really nice role player.
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Re: Whats up with Wes? 

Post#28 » by dookieguy » Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:19 am

Yeah, Shawn Marion without the whack jumper seems like the perfect comparison.
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Re: Whats up with Wes? 

Post#29 » by cpfsf » Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:38 am

Turnover_21 wrote:
cpfsf wrote:
Turnover_21 wrote:If Wes was playing at SF next to Beasley at PF you would not be saying this.


I kind of just threw this post together. I don't have the numbers on that unfortunately. Love on the court would really change the impact the most.

WJ averages 7 rebounds per 48 at small forward while his small forward opponent averages 8.4

At the shooting guard position he averages 4.5 rebounds per 48 and his opponent averages 6.4

Obviously he's still a rookie, but I've expected more.


Does every opposing SG & SF have a Kevin Love on the team?


Johnson doesn't play every minute with Love on the court either. I don't want to stay up late figuring this one out, but I think he plays about half the time with Love sitting on the bench. I want to emphasize that I never said WJ was a bad rebounder, but I don't think that's he's a rebounding threat either. He's a rook, but I want to see him perform better.
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Re: Whats up with Wes? 

Post#30 » by AQuintus » Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:05 am

Wes is averaging 3.9 rebounds per 36. That would put him tied at 34 out of 83 guards. He's ahead of Derozan, Ray Allen, OJ Mayo, Kevin Martin, and Eric Gordon. For his size and athleticism, he could definitely be better, but he's far from bad.
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Re: Whats up with Wes? 

Post#31 » by shangrila » Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:07 am

Calinks wrote:I see him as a poor man's Shawn Marion. Can't create for crap. He gets a great PG who can feed him all day and he will be a good player but I don't think he will be a guy who you can count on to win you games. Right now I think he will wind up being a really nice role player.

The problem is he's more of a 2/3 then a 3/4 like Marion, so there's no direct comparions. Plus, Marion was a hell of a rebounder in his prime while Johnson looks like a much better shooter.
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Re: Whats up with Wes? 

Post#32 » by Klomp » Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:23 pm

Johnson is 17 games into his first season, which began with him being thrown into the deep end of the NBA's scoring pool and learning how to swim.

At times it's been difficult, other times rewarding. But always educational.

"It's been very, very, very difficult," Johnson said Sunday after practice. Talk about running the gamut. On Saturday night he had chased, often unsuccessfully, Golden State sniper Monta Ellis. The game before that he had his hands full with Ginobili. Before that he actually found himself trying to slow Oklahoma City 6-9 scorer Kevin Durant.

"Every night it's a different matchup," Johnson said. "Like Monta, he's very small, very quick. Explosive. Lethal scorer. But it seems like it's something different every night."

Johnson has already shown he belongs in the NBA. He has a smooth shot. He's long and lean and quick. But it's also clear he has a ways to go, on both ends of the floor. Small forward and shooting guard are the marquee offensive positions in the league. And that means no nights off.

"It takes guys a while, one, to learn how to play defense in this league," Timberwolves coach Kurt Rambis said. "And two, to understand the players they're playing, and then to understand what they can and can't do against these guys. We're asking him to do an awful lot."

You think? Johnson came to the Wolves as the fourth overall pick in the draft with a silky shot but much to learn.

"He has to learn how to score on these guys, because most of them can defend," Rambis said. "And also how to handle the basketball. Because, when you look at the vast majority of those guys, they can all handle the ball. That's what allows them to create their own shot."

Or to run a pick-and-roll, to create contact and get to the line. "Those are all things he has to learn, as opposed to being a spot-up, stand-still shooter," Rambis said.

"It's definitely been a learning experience for me," Johnson said. "I'm just out there trying to find out what they do best, what they don't do best, so the next time I can have a better matchup on them."

According to Rambis, Johnson is getting steadily better, at both ends of the floor.

"You talk about all the stuff, the information, the new skill sets we're bombarding him with, the things he'll have to learn to be productive in this league?'' Rambis said. "To assume he would pick up all that stuff and be good at it now? There is no way. It doesn't happen like that. But he's going to get there."

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Re: Whats up with Wes? 

Post#33 » by Klomp » Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:28 pm

I'd compare him to Nicolas Batum.
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Re: Whats up with Wes? 

Post#34 » by Foye » Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:54 pm

Klomp wrote:I'd compare him to Nicolas Batum.


In b4 Blazers fans storm our board wanting to prove that Batum is better. :lol:
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Re: Whats up with Wes? 

Post#35 » by Krapinsky » Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:44 pm

He's looked fine to me. He's not a chucker so he's not going to put up gawdy stats. I'd expect his numbers to become more and more solid as the year goes on though. Compare his rookie season to those of James Harden and Evan Turner. Then realize that we've been giving him our most difficult perimeter matchup most nights.
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Re: Whats up with Wes? 

Post#36 » by St.Nick » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:48 pm

Isn't he a SF? I don't understand putting him at SG except out of dire necessity.
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Re: Whats up with Wes? 

Post#37 » by moss_is_1 » Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:04 am

St.Nick wrote:Isn't he a SF? I don't understand putting him at SG except out of dire necessity.

He's the best sg we have? Beas is our sf, so the minutes there will be limited. Plus, on defense Wes is better against 2's because he's still not real strong. On offense he doesn't have the handle to be a 2, but Beas has an alright handle so its moot.
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Re: Whats up with Wes? 

Post#38 » by Krapinsky » Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:35 am

St.Nick wrote:Isn't he a SF? I don't understand putting him at SG except out of dire necessity.


In our offense there's no difference between the role of a SG and a SF. It's strictly wing on the left (Beasley) and wing on the right (Johnson). Johnson has shown he can guard most 2's already as good as Brewer (with the exception of your own Monta) and better than anyone else on our team so he makes sense matching up at the 2 defensively for us right now.
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Re: Whats up with Wes? 

Post#39 » by horaceworthy » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:03 am

St.Nick wrote:Isn't he a SF? I don't understand putting him at SG except out of dire necessity.

He's being used in the role he's probably best suited for, checking the the opponent's most dangerous wing scorer while on offense he takes a backseat to the primary wing scorer from his team (in this case, Beasley). Defensively, he's acquitted himself fairly well for the most part. Offensively, he's done a good job keeping the ball moving, but he needs to do a better job moving without it. His outside shot looks solid, but he's had some pretty bad misses from the charity stripe. I haven't seen him catch a touchdown pass from Love yet, which is something I was looking forward to at the start of the year.
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