Bad Business

[funkatron101]

Spurs and Lakers had established vets that apparently "got" the system and didn't need a year to understand it.

This is just wrong. Look at Richard Jefferson for a recent example.

Certainly not wrong in the context of the Lakers. They won the finals when Phil took over.

Though I'll take your word on Jefferson based on the Spurs recent success. I haven't seen him play yet this year.

[Krapinsky]

Spurs and Lakers had established vets that apparently "got" the system and didn't need a year to understand it.

This is just wrong. Look at Richard Jefferson for a recent example.

Certainly not wrong in the context of the Lakers. They won the finals when Phil took over.

Though I'll take your word on Jefferson based on the Spurs recent success. I haven't seen him play yet this year.

I've lived in LA for 9 years and seen waaaaay more Lakers games than Wolves games so I know how wrong you are.

You'll notice his championship teams had vet imports from chicago like Harper, Horance Grant, and Salley who already knew the triangle.

matt barnes -- already commenting on his troubles understanding the system -- http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblo ... s-ack.html

ron artest -- well documented

Trevor Ariza -- from SI: "Before Ariza could change games, however, he first had to adjust to the Lakers' system. Though last season's trade from Orlando brought him back to Southern California (where he starred at Westchester High School and spent one year at UCLA), he might as well have been shipped off to Europe given his early difficulties learning the Lakers' triangle offense."


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/w ... z16omDRJHD"

[Klomp]

How'd the Lakers do when they tried to plug in Payton and Malone? Even Artest last year struggled throughout much of the season.

[Worm Guts]

All of this is worrying about something that might turn out to be a problem. There's not even evidence that it will be. The front office has said repeatedly that they are staying with the pieces they have with the exception of a scenario where the "one big piece" becomes available. Given that, it seems silly to be concerned that the system takes too long to learn and that Khan might make unnecessary trades in the year or two to come, and do so in such proportion that it retards the overall ability of the team to gel.

This is the NBA, there's always a lot of turnover. Also, it's tough to commit to stability if you don't have the high level talent already in place.

[eyeteeth]

All of this is worrying about something that might turn out to be a problem. There's not even evidence that it will be. The front office has said repeatedly that they are staying with the pieces they have with the exception of a scenario where the "one big piece" becomes available. Given that, it seems silly to be concerned that the system takes too long to learn and that Khan might make unnecessary trades in the year or two to come, and do so in such proportion that it retards the overall ability of the team to gel.

This is the NBA, there's always a lot of turnover. Also, it's tough to commit to stability if you don't have the high level talent already in place.

And there's no variation in this? Clearly there have been teams with considerably less turnover than others, and then teams like the Wolves with 2-3 returning team members. There is no reason that we couldn't return 5/8 of:
Love
Beasley
Darko
Johnson
Tolliver
Flynn
Ridnour
Brewer

three years from now. That is low turnover. It happens, and often times those teams are very good.

[Someone Else]

If Rubio does'nt want to come in Minny as i heard, you should try to get Milos Teodosic. otherwise it will take some other teams, is mentioned SA.
With Teodosic, Minnesota would be 2x better.

[NewWolvesOrder]

If Rubio does'nt want to come in Minny as i heard, you should try to get Milos Teodosic. otherwise it will take some other teams, is mentioned SA.
With Teodosic, Minnesota would be 2x better.

Could you tell us where you heard this?

[shangrila]

Teodosic isn't an NBA point. He's not athletic enough for the league and would be a defensive liability.

If Rubio tells us he's not coming I'd rather have Irving and if not him then Knight or Walker, or even keep Flynn depending on how he looks.

[Someone Else]

If Rubio does'nt want to come in Minny as i heard, you should try to get Milos Teodosic. otherwise it will take some other teams, is mentioned SA.
With Teodosic, Minnesota would be 2x better.

Could you tell us where you heard this?

I read somewhere, think that on RealGM have some thread about that.

[Someone Else]

Teodosic isn't an NBA point. He's not athletic enough for the league and would be a defensive liability.

If Rubio tells us he's not coming I'd rather have Irving and if not him then Knight or Walker, or even keep Flynn depending on how he looks.

Steve Nash and many arent athletic for D...(Ridnour, also). For instance, Teo always breaks Rubio to peaces , but you love him so much and praise him.
Lock how Teodosic play, he is pure talent, the best in Europe, i think that he can play in NBA.
He will came sooner or latter, than will see.

[Someone Else]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFdggLc9NdQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdBKUyng ... re=related


When you can pass and shoot like this, nothing else isnt important.

[Krapinsky]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFdggLc9NdQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdBKUyng ... re=related


When you can pass and shoot like this, nothing else isnt important.

My concern with him, and other slower euro point guards, is to pass and shoot like that you have to be able to break down NBA players off the dribble. I'm not conviced he can do that like he can in Europe.

[Someone Else]

We never know until he try to play in NBA. he applies to play lucid game, this is rear talent.

[shangrila]

Teodosic isn't an NBA point. He's not athletic enough for the league and would be a defensive liability.

If Rubio tells us he's not coming I'd rather have Irving and if not him then Knight or Walker, or even keep Flynn depending on how he looks.

Steve Nash and many arent athletic for D...(Ridnour, also). For instance, Teo always breaks Rubio to peaces , but you love him so much and praise him.
Lock how Teodosic play, he is pure talent, the best in Europe, i think that he can play in NBA.
He will came sooner or latter, than will see.

Nash might not have been much of a jumping athlete, but the guy was still quick. Teodesic doesn't have that. Plus, the guy is struggling to shoot the ball from the floor in Euroleague and takes almost as many 3s as he does FTs and FGs combined. And even more, Rubio gets to the FT line just as much as Teodesic despite averaging 5 less minutes a game in both the different leagues.

So yeah, maybe Milos could come and play in the NBA. But it's not like it's a given or really worth trying out. I think long term he'd be better off as a ball handling 2 guard off the bench.