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Re: Iguodala available 

Post#81 » by Klomp » Wed Dec 8, 2010 8:00 pm

GDG wrote:I think many people are operating under the assumption (due to speculation that Philly wants cap relief) that we would be able to pry Iggy away using a deal centered around our cap space.

Just because a team wants salary relief doesn't mean they are willing to absolutely get killed value-wise in a trade.

Also, Philadelphia traded expiring contract Sam Dalembert for Andres Nocioni's 3 year, 21 million deal this offseason, which makes me believe salary relief isn't all that important to them.
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Re: Iguodala available 

Post#82 » by shrink » Wed Dec 8, 2010 8:43 pm

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karch34 wrote:I like the idea of Iggy, but not for Beasley. That's a lateral move at best. A 2-4 of Iggy, Beasley, and Love gives us 3 scoring options with a facilitator in Rubio and a center who could fit nicely in Darko. Add another defensive big and have Wes as 6th man and another long distance shooter and that's how I build.

Now if Webster can be a #2 or #3 scorer at significantly less than I'm less interested. While we hope he can be, it's still unknown.

Who you you think Philly wants in return for him, Telfair? You gotta give something to get something. They won't trade by far their best player with us sending them our 7th best player, which is what you have with us keeping Love, Beasley, Darko, Webster, Wes, and Rubio.

By reading a lot of the responses here, I seriously wonder if people understand the concept of a trade. It isn't like the RGM Trade Checker, where you can trade your crap for their star. It simply doesn't happen that way, unless we are trading away our next 10 first round picks.


Let me point out that despite being the fourth biggest market in the NBA, PHI is dead last in filling up their arena. They are certainly losing money, and people are disinterested in a team with Iguodala, who may also be hindering the development of the one guy on the team that could bring back fans .. Evan Turner.

Iguodala is a very good player, but he's paid an awful lot for a guy who's not a Number 1, and not even a big man. He gets $56+ mil through 2014. I don't think a deal for Iguodala is going to take Beasley, as long as it's loaded with cap relief.
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Re: Iguodala available 

Post#83 » by GDG » Wed Dec 8, 2010 8:55 pm

Klomp wrote:
GDG wrote:I think many people are operating under the assumption (due to speculation that Philly wants cap relief) that we would be able to pry Iggy away using a deal centered around our cap space.

Just because a team wants salary relief doesn't mean they are willing to absolutely get killed value-wise in a trade.


Right. I agree. But they may be willing to deal for prospects, picks, and cap space... basically an Al Jefferson type of deal. To them, that may not be "getting killed" value-wise.

It almost appears as if they tried to move Brand's contract over the summer for relief and failed. Realizing there is no market for that monster contract, maybe they've moved on to trying to move out Iggy's contract. Who knows for sure.

Klomp wrote:Also, Philadelphia traded expiring contract Sam Dalembert for Andres Nocioni's 3 year, 21 million deal this offseason, which makes me believe salary relief isn't all that important to them.


Good point. Maybe they just thought Nocioni was really really good? Or maybe Stefanski is just delusional... all the better for us.

When you factor in their poor record, Turner's struggles, etc., it really depends on what direction the 76ers try to go. If they go in a direction that involves moving Iggy for cap space, prospects, and/or picks, then I would hope that Kahn would inquire about the situation.
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Re: Iguodala available 

Post#84 » by the_bruce » Wed Dec 8, 2010 9:10 pm

Klomp wrote:
GDG wrote:I think many people are operating under the assumption (due to speculation that Philly wants cap relief) that we would be able to pry Iggy away using a deal centered around our cap space.

Just because a team wants salary relief doesn't mean they are willing to absolutely get killed value-wise in a trade.

Also, Philadelphia traded expiring contract Sam Dalembert for Andres Nocioni's 3 year, 21 million deal this offseason, which makes me believe salary relief isn't all that important to them.


Actually thats exactly what it gave them.

The sac trade saved them ~3.5m in salary this year. They were gonna be around 69m. Without that trade theyd be ~2.5 over the lux. Meaning 5m + lux share ~3m. So it saved them 8m. They took on more long term money, but it shored up this years finances.

Right now they sit at 48m without counting hawes and yong and their draft pick next year. Once you add those in its more like 60m. Add an MLE player for 5m you sit at 65m. More or less the contracts of brand + iggy as your core cripple you for 30m. Then add in some role players in noci and williams for another 11. Then add some younth for another 15m.

You dont exactly have a team ready for a title.
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Re: Iguodala available 

Post#85 » by B Calrissian » Wed Dec 8, 2010 9:35 pm

GDG wrote:
Klomp wrote:
GDG wrote:I think many people are operating under the assumption (due to speculation that Philly wants cap relief) that we would be able to pry Iggy away using a deal centered around our cap space.

Just because a team wants salary relief doesn't mean they are willing to absolutely get killed value-wise in a trade.


Right. I agree. But they may be willing to deal for prospects, picks, and cap space... basically an Al Jefferson type of deal. To them, that may not be "getting killed" value-wise.

It almost appears as if they tried to move Brand's contract over the summer for relief and failed. Realizing there is no market for that monster contract, maybe they've moved on to trying to move out Iggy's contract. Who knows for sure.

Klomp wrote:Also, Philadelphia traded expiring contract Sam Dalembert for Andres Nocioni's 3 year, 21 million deal this offseason, which makes me believe salary relief isn't all that important to them.


Good point. Maybe they just thought Nocioni was really really good? Or maybe Stefanski is just delusional... all the better for us.

When you factor in their poor record, Turner's struggles, etc., it really depends on what direction the 76ers try to go. If they go in a direction that involves moving Iggy for cap space, prospects, and/or picks, then I would hope that Kahn would inquire about the situation.


I think I remember reading that Collins is a big fan. The deal was offered during the season but no accepted til Collins took over.
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Re: Iguodala available 

Post#86 » by shangrila » Wed Dec 8, 2010 9:45 pm

Dalemburt makes $12,200,000

Nocioni makes $6,850,000
Hawes makes $2,974,320

So Philly saved $2,375,680 this year, Hawes expires and Nocioni's last year is a team option, so he's basically only got a year left. Not exactly awesome savings but they definitely tried to cut costs while getting someone they like.

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