Timberwolves Salary/Roster Situation Post-Trade

[younggunsmn]

I'm using numbers from Wyn's Spreadsheet, except for Eddy Curry (he hasn't calculated Curry's 15% Trade Kicker yet).
Assuming this trade is officially consummated on Tuesday 2/22,
For Curry, we are 110 days into a 170 day season.
His remaining salary would be 3,980,069 (This is the # the Trade Kicker is calculated on regardless of how much his deal was frontloaded).
15% on that is 597,010.
Which puts his total cap hit at 11,873,873
and his dollars owed for 2010 at 4,577,049.
If the deal he originally signed w/ the knicks had a 20% signing bonus up front,
it would save taylor an additional $796,013 (but not net us any additional cap space)

After this trade, we would apparently have 2,201,903 left of cap space.
The trade itself cost us 10,136,121 in 2010 cap space,
but only cost Taylor $963,725 (with the 3 mil cash included, not figuring any savings due to an eddy curry signing bonus).

In addition, adding Randolph drops our prospective 2011-12 summer (7-1) cap space down to less than 5 million, assuming we keep our pick and gain Utah's pick in the late teens. This is regardless if Rubio decides to come over. If Rubio signs, it actually costs us about 600k of cap space as his deal goes from cap hold (100% rookie scale) to 120% rookie scale.
If Rubio comes over and we keep our picks we will also have 16 guaranteed deals. So we will have to cut or trade a player/pick to get under the roster limit.

Here is the raw data: (If you want to keep this info I suggest bookmarking this thread).

Max Cap Room
1 (Eddy Curry) 11,873,873
2 Michael Beasley 4,962,240
3 Martell Webster 4,800,000
4 Darko Milicic 4,325,000
5 Nikola Pekovic 4,275,000
6 Kevin Love 3,638,280
7 Luke Ridnour 4,000,000
8 Wesley Johnson 3,726,600
9 Johnny Flynn 3,192,000
10 Sebastian Telfair 2,700,000
11 Anthony Tolliver 2,200,000
12 Anthony Randolph 1,965,720
13 Kosta Koufos 1,298,640
14 Wayne Ellington 1,078,800
15 Lazar Hayward 1,020,960
16 (Delonte West) 500,000
17 (Sundiata Gaines) 116,571
18 (Maurice Ager) 168,413
Total Salary 55,842,097
Cap Room 2,201,903

Wolves Responsibility for Curry:
3,980,069 + 15% trade kicker (597,010)
= 4,577,049

Wolves end of trade: (Cap Space)
Out: Corey Brewer 3,703,472

In: Anthony Randolph 1,965,720
Eddy Curry 11,873,873
Total: 13,839,593

Net Loss (Cap Space) 10,136,121


Salary Rest of Season
Brewer 1,307,107
3 Million Cash 3,000,000
4,307,107

Curry 4,577,049
Randolph 693,783
5,270,832

Cost of Trade in $ For Glen Taylor: 963,725

Possible savings from a Curry 20% signing bonus:
796,013

This trade could possibly cost Glen Taylor as little as $167,712.

2011-12 Salary On Books Max Cap Room Lux Tax Number
1 Michael Beasley 6,262,347 6,262,347 6,262,347 Team Option (Excercised)
2 Martell Webster 5,256,000 5,256,000 5,256,000
3 Darko Milicic 4,779,125 4,779,125 4,779,125
4 Kevin Love 4,609,701 4,609,701 4,609,701 Team Option (Excercised)
5 Nikola Pekovic 4,595,000 4,595,000 4,595,000
6 Wesley Johnson 4,006,080 4,006,080 4,006,080
7 Luke Ridnour 3,680,000 3,680,000 3,680,000
8 Johnny Flynn 3,414,720 3,414,720 3,414,720 Team Option (Excercised)
9 Anthony Randolph 2,911,231 2,911,231 2,911,231
10 Ricky Rubio 2,900,100 2,900,100 3,480,120
11 Kosta Koufos 2,203,792 2,203,792 2,203,792 Team Option (Excercised)
12 Anthony Tolliver 2,050,000 2,050,000 2,050,000
13 Wayne Ellington 1,154,040 1,154,040 1,154,040 Team Option (Excercised)
14 Lazar Hayward 1,097,520 1,097,520 1,097,520
15 #1 Pick (MN) 2,900,100 2,900,100 3,480,120 Estimated (5th overall)
16 #1 Pick (UTAH) 1,276,200 1,276,200 1,531,440 Estimated (18th overall)
Total Salary 53,095,956 53,095,956 54,511,236
Cap Room 4,948,044 4,948,044 3,532,764

Edit: Edited to reflect a 2/22/2012 trade consummation date.

[Saltine]

Nice work, saved me some time

The latest guess on next years cap based on current revenue is ~60 million. Assuming they don't completely blow it up in the new CBA, our cap space should be around 7 million. Though we may get the Memphis pick as well...

[younggunsmn]

Thanks.
My cap fig was based on the cap staying the same (58,044,000). I'm not making any bets about what a cap in a new CBA would look like. I would be surprised if it went up, because I don't think it's likely the players will keep their current % of revenue unless they accept a hard cap in place of the luxury tax (which is even more unappealing than giving up revenue).

[Foye]

This trade could possibly cost Glen Taylor as little as $167,712.

Oh boy would I love to have that little...

[shangrila]

I find it hard to believe that both Utah and Memphis will make the playoffs. While there's some old or injured teams, they still have enough for the rest of the season.

There's also a few things I think will happen that would impact this. Flynn will probably be moved on draft day if Rubio is definitely coming over and they might be able to flick Koufos in to that deal as well. I can also see them selling or getting a future pick for that Utah pick.

[younggunsmn]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Kahn shopping Koufos, Ellington, Telfair, and Hayward hard the next couple of days. I'm disappointed Kahn couldn't throw Hayward into the deal. If we have to cut him next year it won't be too big a deal.

Acquiring Randolph makes Koufos more expendable. We'll see if we can get a team like Orlando to bite on taking him for a trade exception + 2nd rounder (or fran vasquez's rights).

[Foye]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Kahn shopping Koufos, Ellington, Telfair, and Hayward hard the next couple of days. I'm disappointed Kahn couldn't throw Hayward into the deal. If we have to cut him next year it won't be too big a deal.

Acquiring Randolph makes Koufos more expendable. We'll see if we can get a team like Orlando to bite on taking him for a trade exception + 2nd rounder (or fran vasquez's rights).

Why would Orlando want him?

I could see them going after Darko but certainly not after Koufos.

[Saltine]

I assume Kahn is shopping everyone except Love, Beasley, Darko, Wes and Rubio...

Rubio/?Ridnour?
Wes/#1 pick
Beas/Wes
Love/Randolph
Darko/Randolph

Maybe Kahn will pull off the Nash trade

[shangrila]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Kahn shopping Koufos, Ellington, Telfair, and Hayward hard the next couple of days. I'm disappointed Kahn couldn't throw Hayward into the deal. If we have to cut him next year it won't be too big a deal.

I don't think Hayward gets moved, if only because he hasn't been given much of a chance this season. He's looked good to me, considering he doesn't play much, so I'd rather keep him. Ditto with Ellington, although he should have a minutes cap of around 20.

Telfair I agree will likely get shopped hard. Not sure who would take him, but maybe they could pick up something small for him.

Koufos is a wildcard. I would have imagined he'd have been expendable for most of the season and I wouldn't be surprised to see him still on the roster. They seem to like him for whatever reason.

[Greco21]

Posted before. Koufos got skills. He makes stupid mistakes that Minnesota fans cannot cope with due to the losses. I see some resilience in Pekovic or Darko mistakes. Its ok. He should move and find a backup position in another team. Given the minutes he can easily put 10 r. 2-3 blocks and around 8 points mostly out of hustle plays or pick n roll (he cannot make his own shoot yet). His team defense is decent and he could be a backup in a team like Orlando.

[_AIJ_]

Can randolph play tomorrow?

[Worm Guts]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Kahn shopping Koufos, Ellington, Telfair, and Hayward hard the next couple of days. I'm disappointed Kahn couldn't throw Hayward into the deal. If we have to cut him next year it won't be too big a deal.

Acquiring Randolph makes Koufos more expendable. We'll see if we can get a team like Orlando to bite on taking him for a trade exception + 2nd rounder (or fran vasquez's rights).

What's the motive for moving Hayward? I don't know that there's going to be a big push for cap space.

[eyeteeth]

Kahn definitely has some pieces to move if he finds the right deal, but I don't think there is any one player that needs to be traded (Koufos, Hayward, etc.).

The move not about getting rid of any one player. Rather, we make a move designed to get us a solid back-court player. I would assume we won't trade any of Beas-Love-Wes-Darko (and probably Randolph since we just spent the last few months maneuvering to acquire him). But otherwise, whoever we need to send out to get a legit NBA 2-guard is fine with me.

Once more I'd like to give Kahn some props for acquiring a high-upside player while giving up very little. I've been a Brewer supporter here but it is clear he wasn't coming back. Not coming back = already gone = not giving up much.

[teven_1]

How long is AR's deal? I read the OP and maybe I read it wrong but did this trade destroy a lot of our cap flexibility (not that I mind, who were we going to sign anyway?)

[younggunsmn]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Kahn shopping Koufos, Ellington, Telfair, and Hayward hard the next couple of days. I'm disappointed Kahn couldn't throw Hayward into the deal. If we have to cut him next year it won't be too big a deal.

Acquiring Randolph makes Koufos more expendable. We'll see if we can get a team like Orlando to bite on taking him for a trade exception + 2nd rounder (or fran vasquez's rights).

What's the motive for moving Hayward? I don't know that there's going to be a big push for cap space.

2011 Roster Spots.
We now have 13 guaranteed deals + Possibly Rubio + 1-3 1st round draft picks who get 2 years guaranteed salary (unless the CBA changes). And 15 roster spots. We likely aren't even going to have a spot open to sign a FA with cap space or the MLE unless Kahn does some serious Kahnsolidating.

Don't count on Kahn being able to "pay forward" those draft picks by trading them for 2012 picks either, because the 2011 draft is going to be terrible even if the top college talent isn't scared off by the lockout. Kahn was able to swing the 2009 #18 for what ended up as 2010 #16 only because there was great value (Ty Lawson) in that particular range that year (and who wouldn't give up martell webster for lawson in hindsight).

I know there is a tendency to fall in love with our own players, but picking hayward at 30 was a mistake, whomever we would draft with a utah/memphis pick in the 18-20 range is going to be a better player, even in a weak draft.

[younggunsmn]

Posted before. Koufos got skills. He makes stupid mistakes that Minnesota fans cannot cope with due to the losses. I see some resilience in Pekovic or Darko mistakes. Its ok. He should move and find a backup position in another team. Given the minutes he can easily put 10 r. 2-3 blocks and around 8 points mostly out of hustle plays or pick n roll (he cannot make his own shoot yet). His team defense is decent and he could be a backup in a team like Orlando.

I like Koufos, he's just pretty much our 4th center now. I'd rather have the cap space and roster spot next summer than have him not even dress for most games next year.

Orlando doesn't have much center depth at all after trading Gortat. That's why I mentioned them.

[younggunsmn]

How long is AR's deal? I read the OP and maybe I read it wrong but did this trade destroy a lot of our cap flexibility (not that I mind, who were we going to sign anyway?)

He makes 2.9 mil next year and is a restricted free agent ( with a qualifying offer of a little over 4 million) the following year.

So it ate up a roster spot and 2.9 million in potential cap room next summer.

[Saltine]

Kosta is gone to denver now for their 2015 2nd rounder. That puts the Wolves at $43,813,139 for next year, plus Rubio and the Draft picks (7 or 8 million), around ~$7 to $9 million below the cap...

[Grits n Gravy]

How long is AR's deal? I read the OP and maybe I read it wrong but did this trade destroy a lot of our cap flexibility (not that I mind, who were we going to sign anyway?)

he's due 2.9 mil next season in the last year of his rookie deal and unless we extend him in season he will become a restricted free agent after we offer him a 4 million qualifying offer...but who knows how extensions and qualifying offers will look like after the next cba

[Worm Guts]

2011 Roster Spots.
We now have 13 guaranteed deals + Possibly Rubio + 1-3 1st round draft picks who get 2 years guaranteed salary (unless the CBA changes). And 15 roster spots. We likely aren't even going to have a spot open to sign a FA with cap space or the MLE unless Kahn does some serious Kahnsolidating.

Don't count on Kahn being able to "pay forward" those draft picks by trading them for 2012 picks either, because the 2011 draft is going to be terrible even if the top college talent isn't scared off by the lockout. Kahn was able to swing the 2009 #18 for what ended up as 2010 #16 only because there was great value (Ty Lawson) in that particular range that year (and who wouldn't give up martell webster for lawson in hindsight).

I know there is a tendency to fall in love with our own players, but picking hayward at 30 was a mistake, whomever we would draft with a utah/memphis pick in the 18-20 range is going to be a better player, even in a weak draft.

You can always open roster spots by cutting players, I can understand being against eating the salary but if that's the only motive I'd rather wait until it's necessary. You can have as many guaranteed contracts as you want during the offseason, so we could sign free agents.