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I rather have Anthony Randolph than Kevin Love

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Re: I rather have Anthony Randolph than Kevin Love 

Post#21 » by TDWOLVESFAN » Thu Mar 31, 2011 2:27 pm

AQuintus wrote:Why is it an "either or" thing? Minnesota can have, and does have, both.


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They both have some of the skills to play either C or PF. One lacks the bulk and consistency the other lateral quickness and height for the C. With Darko, Randolph, Love and Tolliver we have a decent rotation at PF/C if
*Darko could ever be consistent on the offensive end
*Love continues to improve on the defensive end
*Randolph continues to display his talents and does it for more than 5-8 games. He seemed to at GS.
*Tolliver keeps doing what he is doing.

Instead of trading one of the best rebounders in the game who also made a huge leap in his offensive output and shot selection....

Fix our problems with the guards - lame defensive, inconsistent offensive and they can't be depended on in close games or at the end of the game to play at a level above poor. The guards are not why we lost all of the close games - but I would put many of those losses on their shoulders.
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Re: I rather have Anthony Randolph than Kevin Love 

Post#22 » by bruddahmanmatt » Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:04 pm

Ehhh...no way would OKC give up Ibaka AND Harden (let alone one of them) for a garbage man/dirty work type player who doesn't play D and can't do much offensively. In fact really the only thing Love would be good for in OKC outside of padding his rebounding numbers is shooting threes which the Thunder aren't exactly great at. Still, Love wouldn't exactly address OKC's big need for a low post offensive threat.

I will say that I agree with the OP in that the Wolves should try to find a taker for Love and S&T him for some picks/prospects though. He's horrifically overrated and as a garbage man/dirty work type player, definitely NOT first option material and therefore he shouldn't be paid like one.
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Re: I rather have Anthony Randolph than Kevin Love 

Post#23 » by Esohny » Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:27 pm

bruddahmanmatt wrote:Ehhh...no way would OKC give up Ibaka AND Harden (let alone one of them) for a garbage man/dirty work type player who doesn't play D and can't do much offensively. In fact really the only thing Love would be good for in OKC outside of padding his rebounding numbers is shooting threes which the Thunder aren't exactly great at. Still, Love wouldn't exactly address OKC's big need for a low post offensive threat.

I will say that I agree with the OP in that the Wolves should try to find a taker for Love and S&T him for some picks/prospects though. He's horrifically overrated and as a garbage man/dirty work type player, definitely NOT first option material and therefore he shouldn't be paid like one.


Kevin Love 2010-2011
Pts: 20.3
Reb (Off Reb): 15.3 (4.5)
Ast: 2.5
FG%: .470
3Pt%: .419
FT%: .851
FT attempts per game: 6.8

I know. What an offensive drain. :thumbsup:
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Re: I rather have Anthony Randolph than Kevin Love 

Post#24 » by bruddahmanmatt » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:01 pm

Esohny wrote:
bruddahmanmatt wrote:Ehhh...no way would OKC give up Ibaka AND Harden (let alone one of them) for a garbage man/dirty work type player who doesn't play D and can't do much offensively. In fact really the only thing Love would be good for in OKC outside of padding his rebounding numbers is shooting threes which the Thunder aren't exactly great at. Still, Love wouldn't exactly address OKC's big need for a low post offensive threat.

I will say that I agree with the OP in that the Wolves should try to find a taker for Love and S&T him for some picks/prospects though. He's horrifically overrated and as a garbage man/dirty work type player, definitely NOT first option material and therefore he shouldn't be paid like one.


Kevin Love 2010-2011
Pts: 20.3
Reb (Off Reb): 15.3 (4.5)
Ast: 2.5
FG%: .470
3Pt%: .419
FT%: .851
FG attempts per game: 6.8

I know. What an offensive drain. :thumbsup:


First off, if all you're going to do is throw up stats as your counterargument, at least make sure they're correct. Kevin Love takes a hell of a lot more than 6.8 FGA per game. :roll:
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Re: I rather have Anthony Randolph than Kevin Love 

Post#25 » by Esohny » Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:34 pm

My apologies to all. That was a typo, and the stat was free throw attempts a game. Original post edited.

And your post was still a joke.
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Post#26 » by john2jer » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:26 pm

Anyone else think the OP might ACTUALLY be Michael Beasley since his Twitter account got shutdown? ;-)
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Re: I rather have Anthony Randolph than Kevin Love 

Post#27 » by [RCG] » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:40 pm

bruddahmanmatt wrote:Ehhh...no way would OKC give up Ibaka AND Harden (let alone one of them)


You're kidding, right?
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Re: I rather have Anthony Randolph than Kevin Love 

Post#28 » by bruddahmanmatt » Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:48 pm

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bruddahmanmatt wrote:Ehhh...no way would OKC give up Ibaka AND Harden (let alone one of them)


You're kidding, right?


Harden maybe, simply because if history has anything to tell us it's that if you can swap an equally talented small for an equally talented big you do it, however there's no way, absolutely no way they give up Ibaka.
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Re: I rather have Anthony Randolph than Kevin Love 

Post#29 » by Devilzsidewalk » Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:19 pm

the Harden/Ibaka trade is nice compared to most offers, but OKC isn't really hurting on the glass and they've got a nice off/def balance going. At some point they'll have to consolidate talent or let some guys walk, but not yet
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Re: I rather have Anthony Randolph than Kevin Love 

Post#30 » by LOBO 7 » Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:26 pm

About 11 months ago I wanted to trade Love for Ibaka straight up, with Harden thrown in if possible:

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1007393

(this was also the thread where Dr K coined the phrase "major Tony Ronzone" to describe player-inspired erections)

A lot has changed in those 11 months, and Love is definitely a keeper. Randolph compliments Love much better than Beasley does, and I think Randolph can play some minutes at both the 3 and the 5, as well as obviously the 4. I don't think we have room for all 3 of these guys to get the minutes they need to develop, and after giving it a lot of thought I think Beas should be the one we move. I have grown to love the dude, and hope he puts it all together, but I really don't think he and Love can co-exist defensively long term. They are a worse defensive pairing than Love and Al were. Randolph, on the other hand, compliments Love very well defensively, especially if he can play some minutes at the 3.

I think we should move Beas for a defensive stud big man, along the lines of Ibaka, who I still have a major Tony Ronzone for. Varejao is appealing and probably gettable, but has a bad contract and is coming off surgery to repair a tendon in his ankle. If he comes back 100% I would still be interested in him despite his contract, as he was having a career year this year before his injury.

Other possible players who fit this mold (Perkins, Ibaka, Chandler) are probably not gettable. I haven't seen much of Gortat in Phoenix, where he probably isn't asked to play too much D, but he looked good defensively in Orlando. DeAndre Jordan will be a FA this summer and might not want to go back to the Clips now that his role has been reduced by the return of Kaman. Bogut would be nice, and his offensive game seems to be coming back to him recently.

I don't know, I'm just brainstorming, but I think we need another defensive big man to replace Darko in the starting lineup or at least get more minutes than him even if they are coming off the bench. Darko could be the kind of starter that starts the 1st and 3rd quarters, but only gets extended minutes if he's having one of his good games. He is WAY too inconsistent to rely on regularly though.

I would like to see our 96 minutes at the 4/5 to be divided up something like this:

Love-35
Varejao(or someone similar)-28
Randolph-15 (with another 15 or so at SF)
Darko-10
Tolly-8

Hmm, after looking at that, we would be way better off if Randolph could get most of his minutes at the 3, allowing for a few more minutes for Tolly and Darko.


Sorry this became a huge rant, but I guess the biggest question to come out of this rant is whether Randolph can play the 3. What does everyone think about that? :dontknow:

(Randolph at the 3 certainly works in NBA2K11, but EVERYTHING works in 2K11)
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Re: I rather have Anthony Randolph than Kevin Love 

Post#31 » by Marvel » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:10 pm

Who else is high after reading the OP.

DAYUUUUM, i'm all smoked out.
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Re: I rather have Anthony Randolph than Kevin Love 

Post#32 » by uofmike » Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:58 pm

Are you by chance SBjake on Canis Hoopus?

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