Atlanta Trade Scenarios

Krapinsky · Post #1 » by **Krapinsky** » Fri Apr 1, 2011 7:34 pm

Interesting nugget from Bucher chat

Vinnie (ATL)

Should Hawks management take dynamite to this roster over the summer? The Hawks have no ceiling.
Ric Bucher (1:49 PM)

I'm told the Hawks will make major changes before the next time we play if they don't make at least a strong second-round showing this year in the playoffs

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What are your offers for Smith or Horford??

abrewbro68 · Post #2 » by **abrewbro68** » Fri Apr 1, 2011 7:37 pm

LOL, Josh Smith? For real?

jpatrick · Post #3 » by **jpatrick** » Fri Apr 1, 2011 7:49 pm

Damn, that Joe Johnson contract is going to be a killer for them. I really like Horford and Smith but do we really give up a ton of assets for another natural PF unless we move Love? Out of the entire team I would think they would have the hardest time letting go of Horford. He's an efficient scorer, good defender, good guy and compared to alot of NBA guys, is signed long term to a decent contract.

funkatron101 · Post #4 » by **funkatron101** » Fri Apr 1, 2011 7:50 pm

abrewbro68 wrote:LOL, Josh Smith? For real?

He would be a defensive upgrade to...everyone on our roster.

moss_is_1 · Post #5 » by **moss_is_1** » Fri Apr 1, 2011 8:02 pm

I would kill to get Horford over here...

eyeteeth · Post #6 » by **eyeteeth** » Fri Apr 1, 2011 8:11 pm

I would totally believe they blow it up. It's not that the team has no ceiling, it's that they are at their ceiling. Their FO also has made some pretty strategically questionable moves in the last year.

I am much more interested in Horford. Offer Jonny and Pek, plus Barnes or Williams assuming we have a good shot at drafting one of them.

If they were hell bent on it, I would allow AR to go instead of Pek, but I'd prefer not.

AQuintus · Post #7 » by **AQuintus** » Fri Apr 1, 2011 8:16 pm

Any asset we have outside of Love, the number 1 overall pick, and maybe Rubio for Horford.

Post #8 » by **The J Rocka** » Fri Apr 1, 2011 8:54 pm

I don't see a reason for the Hawks to trade Horford, unless you can move him with Johnson, which wouldn't be worth it IMO.

Krapinsky · Post #9 » by **Krapinsky** » Fri Apr 1, 2011 8:56 pm

abrewbro68 wrote:LOL, Josh Smith? For real?

I would do Flynn + Love for Horford.

Krapinsky · Post #10 » by **Krapinsky** » Fri Apr 1, 2011 9:03 pm

Krapinsky wrote:
abrewbro68 wrote:LOL, Josh Smith? For real?

I would do Flynn + Love for Horford.

I quoted you on accident, abrewbro.

I'd like Josh Smith on this team though. I just don't know how he would fit.

Just throwing things around.... say you trade Love for Harden + Aldrich + a future #1. Then you swap Beasley + Flynn + Pekovic for Josh Smith. Draft Barnes.

Rubio/Ridnour
Harden/Webster
Barnes/Johnson
Smith/Randolph
Darko/Aldrich

phonzadellika · Post #11 » by **phonzadellika** » Fri Apr 1, 2011 9:05 pm

I don't see a reason for the Hawks to trade Horford, unless you can move him with Johnson, which wouldn't be worth it IMO.

+1

They would probably want to trade Johnson and Smith, and would want our #1 and maybe Beas or W. Johnson plus filler to make it work. Is a Rubio/Johnson/Beas or Johnson/J. Smith/Love lineup really going to be any better than Atlanta was?

Maybe they'll do something in the new CBA that will make the J.Johnson contract actually tradeable, but he isn't going anywhere.

AQuintus · Post #12 » by **AQuintus** » Fri Apr 1, 2011 9:08 pm

Krapinsky wrote:
Just throwing things around.... say you trade Love for Harden + Aldrich + a future #1.

Unless OKC could somehow guarantee that that future 1st will be in the top 10, that trade would be really terrible for us.

Grits n Gravy · Post #13 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Fri Apr 1, 2011 9:16 pm

AQuintus wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:
Just throwing things around.... say you trade Love for Harden + Aldrich + a future #1.

Unless OKC could somehow guarantee that that future 1st will be in the top 10, that trade would be really terrible for us.

completely agree, unrelated, i'd kill to have horford here

Esohny · Post #14 » by **Esohny** » Fri Apr 1, 2011 9:25 pm

The J Rocka wrote:I don't see a reason for the Hawks to trade Horford, unless you can move him with Johnson, which wouldn't be worth it IMO.

Agree. Horford isn't going anywhere. They'll try to move Williams and Johnson obviously, and maaaybe Smith. I'd expect they could get a good deal for Smith, and might get something for Williams (the Celtics just traded Perkins for Jeff Green, who isn't much better IMO). I assume they could move Johnson in some sort of deal, considering that Turkoglu and Agent Zero were both somehow moved.

I guess I might not mind going after Smith with Beasley + whatever and play Smith at SF. That would make getting an actual SG even more critical.

breatnach · Post #15 » by **breatnach** » Fri Apr 1, 2011 9:47 pm

Hmm, I wonder... I do not like JJ's contract... BUT - who else are we going to sign for any amount of money anyway? We need a SG anyway... Extending Love and should work with some clause allowing you to resign rookies even when you're over the cap, right? (Bird rights or something?)

Depending what their asking price is - why not? Maybe Mem, Utah Picks + Pek, Wes, Webster? Toss in Flynn if they want to shed Hinrich aswell!

Rubio - JJ - Barnes - Love - Horford, with AR and Beas coming off the bench? I'd take that over what we've got now!

Since we won't have a 2012 pick we had better be in a place where we won't rely on one anyway. Rebuilding is over, we need to start winning. If we don't end up competing by the time JJ expires (5 years?), Love will most likely be gone (after his first extension) and we can start rebuilding from scratch once again.
Because using all our money to sign Webster / Ridnour level players will never get us anywhere.

Krapinsky · Post #16 » by **Krapinsky** » Fri Apr 1, 2011 9:48 pm

AQuintus wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:
Just throwing things around.... say you trade Love for Harden + Aldrich + a future #1.

Unless OKC could somehow guarantee that that future 1st will be in the top 10, that trade would be really terrible for us.

Hmm... i don't think it's too incendiary. I think people look at Aldrich and the fact that he hasn't played much in the NBA this year and then immediately dismiss his value. In my mind Aldrich has the likely potential to develop into the type of defensive enforcer that everyone seems to want around here. Those guys are pretty hard to find. Thus, we could be getting two starters for the next ten years for the price of one. If (big if) we wanted to trade Love, I don't think we'd get much of a better offer than that.

Post #17 » by **revprodeji** » Fri Apr 1, 2011 10:41 pm

Lets try and keep the OKC/Love speculation on a different thread.

I actually wonder if we could get an asset if we took on Johnson. It is a crap contract, but we could use it to bring on talent. He is 29 years old, but could be a nice vet to put next to Rubio and whatever SF we have.

Do we even have that kind of cap flexibility anymore, or did we lose that at the deadline? What is our cap situation on draft day?

Krapinsky · Post #18 » by **Krapinsky** » Fri Apr 1, 2011 10:48 pm

That asset would have to be Horford for me to even think about it. Though, then we would need at least $22M in outgoing salary. Hard for us to do.

Something like, Pekovic, Webster, Flynn, Beasley, Tolliver for Johnson + Horford

Rubio/Ridnour
J. Johnson/Ellington
W. Johnson/Barnes, Williams, Jones or Vesely?
Love/Randolph
Horford/Darko/#18

Post #19 » by **revprodeji** » Fri Apr 1, 2011 11:16 pm

So that window has been closed? I believe we could have done it at the deadline...correct?

NoelTheMole · Post #20 » by **NoelTheMole** » Sat Apr 2, 2011 4:20 am

Krapinsky wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:
abrewbro68 wrote:LOL, Josh Smith? For real?

I would do Flynn + Love for Horford.

I quoted you on accident, abrewbro.

I'd like Josh Smith on this team though. I just don't know how he would fit.

Just throwing things around.... say you trade Love for Harden + Aldrich + a future #1. Then you swap Beasley + Flynn + Pekovic for Josh Smith. Draft Barnes.

Rubio/Ridnour
Harden/Webster
Barnes/Johnson
Smith/Randolph
Darko/Aldrich

I really like that lineup, although I'm wondering how good of a defender Barnes is? What if we tried to flip Barnes to Philly for Iggy somehow? Who is somewhat of an elite defender.

Iggy
Smith
Aldrich

Someday if Aldrich develops into that elite defender than that tandem right there is nasty.