WTF (The Impatience Thread)

[horaceworthy]

You guys keep saying that the only reason Beasley has sucked recently is because of the injury. Why doesn't anyone do the same for Flynn? its obvious he hasn't been healthy all year.

I didn't realize this was something I kept saying. I think there's a strong chance you're putting words in my mouth here. I have no idea how much of Beasley's struggles are due to injury, which is exactly what I said about Flynn.

Flynn is making mistakes that are not indicative of recovering from injury, unless it is a brain injury.

Beasley doesn't exactly come across as a rocket surgeon on the floor (unless you're comparing him to Flynn).

[The J Rocka]

Flynn is making mistakes that are not indicative of recovering from injury, unless it is a brain injury.

This. It's all about his decision making. He just doesn't have the high BBIQ, not even average. Maybe he just needs to find a new team for that fresh start. He still won't be any good unless he's going to go all out in a summer workout and continues to work hard, which I still believe won't help him be the 6th pick talent that he should've been.

At this rate he'll end up like Bassy or go overseas.

[funkatron101]

I said about Flynn.

Flynn is making mistakes that are not indicative of recovering from injury, unless it is a brain injury.

Beasley doesn't exactly come across as a rocket surgeon on the floor (unless you're comparing him to Flynn).

I am, and their perceived roles on the team. You can see Beasley's production drop because of injury. His role has been as a go to guy. He had lost his driving ability a bit, regulating him to shoot jumpers.

Flynn is supposed to be, on a basic level, a facilitator. This doesn't really require top athleticism. Instead of him setting up the offense, we see him jack up outside jumpers with 20 still on the clock, try to be flashy with fancy dribbling that in 90% of the situations is completely unnecessary, make bad passes, and have really bone-headed turnovers. You can argue that Flynn hasn't been able to drive to the basket because of his injury, but you can't blame all of the rest on injury.

[Krapinsky]

I'd do a Flynn for Raja Bell deal at this point.

[funkatron101]

Can you guys on TV hear the reaction when Flynn is about to enter the game? There are sections yelling "NOOOOOOO!"

[The J Rocka]

I said about Flynn.

Flynn is making mistakes that are not indicative of recovering from injury, unless it is a brain injury.

Beasley doesn't exactly come across as a rocket surgeon on the floor (unless you're comparing him to Flynn).

I am, and their perceived roles on the team. You can see Beasley's production drop because of injury. His role has been as a go to guy. He had lost his driving ability a bit, regulating him to shoot jumpers.

Flynn is supposed to be, on a basic level, a facilitator. This doesn't really require top athleticism. Instead of him setting up the offense, we see him jack up outside jumpers with 20 still on the clock, try to be flashy with fancy dribbling that in 90% of the situations is completely unnecessary, make bad passes, and have really bone-headed turnovers. You can argue that Flynn hasn't been able to drive to the basket because of his injury, but you can't blame all of the rest on injury.

Or he waits til there's 5 seconds on the clock to make a move. He either:

A. Jacks up a bad shot
B. Tries to drive it in with big defenders ready to stuff his sh**
C. Dumps it to a teammate as a result of a quick poor shot or 24 sec violation
D. Goes Iso with his dribbling skills and gets stripped or creates any kind of TO

[LOBO 7]

Yeah, Flynn's ship has sailed. The key now is convincing some team that he still has potential to shine in another system. My dream would be to use him in a package to get Barbosa.

[horaceworthy]

Flynn is making mistakes that are not indicative of recovering from injury, unless it is a brain injury.

Beasley doesn't exactly come across as a rocket surgeon on the floor (unless you're comparing him to Flynn).

I am, and their perceived roles on the team. You can see Beasley's production drop because of injury. His role has been as a go to guy. He had lost his driving ability a bit, regulating him to shoot jumpers.

Flynn is supposed to be, on a basic level, a facilitator. This doesn't really require top athleticism. Instead of him setting up the offense, we see him jack up outside jumpers with 20 still on the clock, try to be flashy with fancy dribbling that in 90% of the situations is completely unnecessary, make bad passes, and have really bone-headed turnovers. You can argue that Flynn hasn't been able to drive to the basket because of his injury, but you can't blame all of the rest on injury.

Beasley was mostly a jump shooter even before the injury, it was just easier to forgive because they went in more often (or at least they seemed to). You can pin some of it on the injury, but chalking all of it up to injury wouldn't be accurate. I'm with you 100% on Flynn, I just think that both of them have a tendency to play like dumbasses even if injuries are taken into account.

[The J Rocka]

I'm sad now that we didn't trade him to Indy for 10th pick (Paul George). At the time when we thought Flynn was decent.

[Foye]

I'm sad now that we didn't trade him to Indy for 10th pick (Paul George). At the time when we thought Flynn was decent.

I'm sad we drafted him at all. I haven't even had him on my radar back in '09.

[funkatron101]

Beasley was mostly a jump shooter even before the injury, it was just easier to forgive because they went in more often (or at least they seemed to). You can pin some of it on the injury, but chalking all of it up to injury wouldn't be accurate. I'm with you 100% on Flynn, I just think that both of them have a tendency to play like dumbasses even if injuries are taken into account.

True, I guess pre-injuries I had noticed him going to the basket a little more, which made PeeDee and me discuss how he should be playing more like he did in college, and I took a leap in assuming that he was returning to that. I still think and hope that he will.

With that said, Beasley certainly hasn't been void of criticism, many fans on this board have deemed him a future 6th man because of his weaknesses.

There are plenty of finger-pointing opportunities all around.

[horaceworthy]

True, I guess pre-injuries I had noticed him going to the basket a little more, which made PeeDee and me discuss how he should be playing more like he did in college, and I took a leap in assuming that he was returning to that. I still think and hope that he will.

With that said, Beasley certainly hasn't been void of criticism, many fans on this board have deemed him a future 6th man because of his weaknesses.

There are plenty of finger-pointing opportunities all around.

This has pretty much been the theme of all my posts in this thread. I'd say great minds think alike, but we're both foolish enough to be Timberwolves fans.

[Dr Positivity]

I don't like Barnes for you guys because of Wes Johnson's place on the team. Both guys are natural SFs and both guys are ideal off ball 3pt shooting, defensive glue guy players. Wes is a bit more Prince and Barnes is a bit more Deng, but from a marginal utility perspective they overlap and I don't think Rubio is enough of a sure thing on the ball to stick two total off ball players at SG and SF. A much better fit is Alec Burks beside Johnson. Burks does the on ball work and shot creating, Johnson does the spot up 3s.

I really wouldn't pass on Barnes just because we have Wes Johnson. Wes has been far to unaggressive to make me believe he can be a great player.

Well it's so early for Wes. We saw guys like Harden and Derozan break out in the 2nd part of their soph seasons. So long way away.

Still I think he is what he is long term, a defensive 3pt shooting guy. Wes has no on ball ability. So it's hard to imagine an upside higher than that. But it's much harder to get defensive 3pt shooters at SG/SF than it seems. Especially if they're one of the best shooters in the league which I think Wes can be. I guess there's a longshot chance he's Granger but I see a Battier/Prince type which is something almost every winning team needs.

The thing about Barnes I think he also has 0 on ball ability. It's possible he's just been underutilized in that area or that he'll break out next year on ball at UNC, but he's showing zilch right now. No handles, no first step, more TOs than assists. If I'm picking him, it's not because I think he can turn it on with the ball and become a peren all-star - I take him knowing full well I'm likely getting a guy who shoots 3s and defends and rebounds is a fantastic character guy but doesn't have star on ball upside. Again, sounds a lot like Luol Deng, throw in some Battier, some Artest even. Long term he's my 3rd or 4th option and the guy I stick on Durant in the conference finals. Great for any team except the one that drafted Wes Johnson last year to do basically the same things

I think the people expecting an elite on ball star in Barnes are going to be disappointed. It's possible he has it in him and hasn't showed it yet, but right now everything is pointing to off ball defensive super role player, not raw guy with star potential, IMO. Barnes is the Wes Johnson of this draft. The Favors/Cousins upside roll of the dice is Perry Jones III or Alec Burks